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to: John Beckett
from: Rich
date: 2005-06-14 18:33:24
subject: Re: Windows Search - OMG!

From: "Rich" 

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   The ! prefix is only needed if you do not use the query specific =
syntax.  It's the override mechanism that forces the query service even =
if not requested.

   Now you may ask, why isn't the service the default?  I can only =
speculate that because of how it works people may believe it didn't work =
because it will only find content in indexable files and only what the =
filter reports.  For example, adam whined that the HTML filter returns =
the HTML text and not comments within the HTML.  He is an example of =
someone that might be unhappy (in fact I'm sure he would say so whether =
true or not).  Of course he would likely also complain if it found the =
deceptive terms that folks trying to fool search engines or spammers =
trying to trick filters include in comments.

   You could also ask why isn't this better documented (or documented at =
all?).  I never knew of this.

Rich

  "John Beckett"  wrote in message =
news:68vua159alkl6uar4otkulv1cv4spp79tq{at}4ax.com...
  On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:32:40 -0400, "Gregg N"
   wrote:
  > You can reliably use the indexing service by bypassing "search =
companion"=20
  > altogether, directly accessing the indexing service.

  Thanks, but I found ciadv.msc some time ago (should have mentioned
  that). There was a brief discussion here a week or so ago when I said
  I would like something with less mouse clicks, and I started
  investigating the IIS4 RK srch.exe that Rich mentioned.

  It was part of my general investigation of searching that I wanted to
  see why the damn Windows Search didn't use the index. You can actually
  use all those {at} keywords if you start the search with an exclamation
  mark (which also causes it to use the index).

  John

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