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echo: startrek
to: ARTIMUS BROWN
from: EVIL DOCTOR
date: 1998-01-31 23:41:00
subject: Stardates

Having confronted Dr. Evil, Artimus Brown, International Man Of Mystery, 
exclaimed:
 
 AB> I understand that problems like this will arise when trying to
 AB> make some sence out of some question a person may have.  As you know, I
 AB> originally did this to answer one question that I and many others have
 AB> had. The question being: "How could Khan know Chekov when Chekov
 AB> wasn't there when the Enterprise crew first met him?"  This I did when
 AB> I discovered that the stardate for Space Seed was 3141.9 and the
 AB> stardate for Catspaw was 3018.2  Another influance to do this was when
 
     Actually a simpler explanation is that Chekov was on board but we 
just never saw him until "Catspaw".  Another Chekov example is in "The 
Deadly Years" in which Chekov understood Kirk's reference to 
`Corbomite'.
 
 AB> TNG started putting episodes in stardate order as well as prodution
 AB> order starting with it's second season.
     Which unfortunately does not validate the use of stardates for 
continuity purposes in TOS.  Also, if you noticed, that when stardates 
have been used in DSN, there have been many times they been out of 
order.
 
 AB> I also stated, later in my posts, that there was even a problem
 AB> with TNG stardates concerning the death of Tasha Yar.  When she died,
 AB> it put a crink in the stardate timeline as well.  This, you will see I,
 AB> got around. You can get around this problem the same way if you wish
 AB> or, go by the production codes.
     The stardates with "Skin Of Evil" and "Symbiosis" were out of 
order?  Did not notice that, of course in that case the switching of 
production codes was due to Denise Crosby leaving the show.  In that 
case the order shown is in fact the correct order, at it is with DSN and 
VOY.
 
 AB> There are several other problems with going by stardates which I
 AB> will admit.  Another one I can readily think of was when I put in the
 AB> Animated series.  If you go by stardates only, all the characters are
 AB> out of place because we never see them in TOS.
     Well that series was even more random.  After all this was for the 
kiddie set.
 
 AB> Also, if you go just by prodution codes for all of Star Trek, you
 AB> will see several problems arise in TNG that I can think of right away.
 AB> One being Unification II's prodution code is 207 and Unification I's
 AB> is 208. There are other instances in TNG such as this as I'm sure there
 AB> is in DSN and VOY as well.  You may even see this in TOS somewhere.
     The main difference between TOS and it's modern counterparts was 
that TOS did not necessarily needed to be shown in order, only five
episode make any reference to other episodes in the series.  Often the 
network picked and choose which episodes aired as opposed airing them as 
they get them.  The modern series has continuity between each episode 
and thus are made to be shown in a particular order.  When there is
a scheduling conflict then productions codes get out of order but they 
are still aired in the intended order.
 AB> The main thing is, I looked at all of Star Trek as a whole or, more
 AB> plainly, as a contuation from one to the next.  I'd rather think of
 AB> them that way than seperate entities since they do have strong
 AB> conections to each other, even the Animated series.
     Even "The Infinite Vulcan"? 
 
 AB> You have a method that works for you and I have one that works for
 AB> me and that's just fine.  I have no arguments on any method.  Nobody's
 AB> right and nobody's wrong.  It's just a matter of what way you want to
 AB> do things.
     Yeah, but my way is so much simpler....
 
 AB> Thanks for pointing this detail out to me.  It has been noted in my
 AB> files.
     Interested in the other three TOS episodes with references with 
previous episode references?
                                       Sincerely Yours
                                       
                                       David G. Riess
                                       EchoContinuityMonger
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