From: "Glenn Meadows" 

It's been going on for YEARS like this, much of it driven from the RADIO
side, in reality.  Once they realized that they could hold their airwaves
"hostage", then each of the other labels really had to play along
just to survive and keep up with the jonses, so to speak.

Most mainstream genres of music have moved to this mode of operation,
except the smooth jazz stations, and black gospel, where the play is more
diverse with the jocks themselves deciding what they play, not dictated by
a Program Director, or "consultant" who literally dictates to the
station what 25 records to play, to hold to a "format".

It's driven many smaller labels out of business, they just can't compete at
any level.  Yea, you might get your music on a third or fourth tier
station, with no listeners, so what does that accomplish?  That's why the
internet has held such interesting possibilities.  Too bad that the main
commercial giants have locked that down as well.

The normal $$ path though is label to indie promo guy to either station, or
an outside company "hired" by the station to run their
promotions.

I think this will slow it down some, until the stations can craft a new
method to hide/bury the revenue stream.

--

Glenn M.
"Robert Comer"  wrote in
message news:42e636a8{at}w3.nls.net...
> Ewwwwww, for you to say something like that...
>
> Even I have noticed the degrade in quality in pop radio -- I always
> listened to it because it at least changed some with the times and there
> was new material out there, but in the last couple of years I'm having an
> awful time with it, it's either same-o stuff done worse, or it's sampling
> up the wazoo, neither new, nor interesting. :(
>
> I've even stooped low enough to start listening to country stations to get
> away from it.  (Yes, I have no doubt they do the same, but at least it's
> new to me.)
>
> - Bob Comer
>
>
>
>
> "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message
> news:42e63343{at}w3.nls.net...
>> And that's really the tip of the iceberg my friends....
>>
>> --
>>
>> Glenn M.
>> "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
>> news:npsae192rhsgcm8mfkvusn7m22f24a4ro2{at}4ax.com...
>>>>  Radio sucks around here.
>>>
>>> Here's one reason why:
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163537,00.html
>>>
>>> ===
>>> I always say when people ask me that the so-called vipers of the movie
>>> business would not last a day in the record business. Now Eliot
>>> Spitzer's office has decided to prove the point.
>>>
>>> "Please be advised that in this week's Jennifer Lopez Top 40 Spin
>>> Increase of 236 we bought 63 spins at a cost of $3,600."
>>>
>>> "Please be advised that in this week's Good Charlotte Top 40 Spin
>>> Increase of 61 we bought approximately 250 spins at a cost of
$17K ."
>>>
>>> Ironically, it didn't help, as the memo notes that the company actually
>>> lost spins - or plays of the record - even though they laid out money
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> See above: The internal memos from Sony Music, revealed today in the New
>>> York state attorney general's investigation of payola at the company,
>>> will be mind blowing to those who are not so jaded to think records are
>>> played on the radio because they're good. We've all known for a long
>>> time that contemporary pop music stinks. We hear
"hits" on the radio and
>>> wonder, "How can this be?"
>>>
>>> Now we know. And memos from both Sony's Columbia and Epic Records senior
>>> vice presidents of promotions circa 2002-2003 - whose names are redacted
>>> in the reports but are well known in the industry - spell out who to pay
>>> and what to pay them in order to get the company's records on the air.
>>>
>>> From Epic, home of J-Lo, a memo from Nov. 12, 2002, a
"rate" card that
>>> shows radio stations in the Top 23 markets will receive $1000, Markets
>>> 23-100 get $800, lower markets $500. "If a record
receives less than 75
>>> spins at any given radio station, we will not pay the full
rate," the
>>> memo to DJs states. "We look forward to breaking many
records together
>>> in the future."
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>>  /m
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:08:00 -0400, Mike '/m'
 wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:12:28 -0400, Gregg N

>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike '/m' wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>~$350 for the iPod kit, or $700 for the 6-CD
changer option -- it was
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>easy decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I chose the third option, which is to have neither. For
me, it would
>>>>>cost $350 + $300 = $650, because I don't currently own
an ipod. Plus, I
>>>>>am reluctant to have the kit installed because I
understand it involves
>>>>>taking apart the dashboard to some extent. I don't know
if I trust the
>>>>>dealership to do that without screwing something up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does it take up much space in the glovebox? Did they
have to cut a hole
>>>>>anywhere?
>>>>
>>>>re: cost - that is your choice.  Radio sucks around here.  The good
>>>>stations (college stations) are fairly low-poewered and
quickly fade in
>>>>the hills.
>>>>
>>>>The dealership I used is most excellent.  I have been going
there since
>>>>1984. (they used to sell Mazdas also, the current car is
the first BMW I
>>>>bought from them).  From the looks of things, they may have
removed the
>>>>glove box, I don't see the need to remove part of the
dashboard.  But if
>>>>they did, it's fine now.  You are correct, if dashboard removal is
>>>>involved, you need to have confidence in your dealer.
>>>>
>>>>In the glove box, all you have is a wire with a connector on it that
>>>>plugs into the bottom of the iPod.  So the space taken up
in the glove
>>>>box consists of the iPod and the wire, which for all intents and
>>>>purposes means the space taken up by the iPod.   Once you connect the
>>>>iPod, the display shows only "BMW" and the
controls don't work, so there
>>>>is no temptation to look at the song that is playing or use the iPOd
>>>>controls while you are driving.  Probably done to keep the lawyers
>>>>happy.  iPod battery is charged whilst connected.
>>>>
>>>>In the top back left of the glove box it looks like a 1/4
inch hole was
>>>>drilled for the wire to go through.  A rubber grommet was put in the
>>>>hole.  A very clean installation.
>>>>
>>>>What I would really like to do, and I had started to design
the system
>>>>before I found out about the iPod option, was to place a
ruggedized PC
>>>>in the car, and feed its audio output into the car stereo. 
When the car
>>>>is in the garage, the PC would be a part of my home
wireless network, so
>>>>I would be able to move music back and forth easily.
>>>>
>>>> /m
>>>
>>
>>
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