-=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=-

 AS> * MOOD: You are a friend :)

 AS> Hey JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD, what's up?

 AS> JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL
 AS> about Beware of shoddy dealers! 
 AS>> (There's this guy I know, when you buy a computer from him, he
 AS>> can add any commercial software on your computer [without the
 AS>> CDs] and any games, [...]

 JDBP> As soon as you added the phrase "[without the CDs]" alarm bells
 JDBP> started ringing.  Be very wary of a computer dealer who doesn't
 JDBP> give you the original installation discs along with the
 JDBP> hardware, even if his excuse is that he has already installed
 JDBP> the software for you.  Even if he preinstalls everything for
 JDBP> you, he should still provide you with the manuals, boxes, and
 JDBP> all discs for the software that he has preinstalled.

 AS> Well that would not really be fair for him because he gives me as much
 AS> software as I want, up to 10 gigs free and any programs/files because
 AS> he is licensed to do that.  Come on, 99.9% of the people who sell
 AS> computers, don't give you anything with your cpu.  I figure that free
 AS> software shouldn't have to have manuals and all that stuff.  If I want
 AS> the whole thing, I'd buy it for $100.  But I don't care if I'll have
 AS> OS/2 and everything without paying a cent and a whole computer with
 AS> everything and 4 gigs of progs for 1,500 CA money, I think I don't care
 AS> for the manuals. Why do I need 142 manuals and 162 discs?  I could get
 AS> them but I'd have to pay for them which would be like more then 500
 AS> dollars. 


You've just made it virtually *certain* that he's putting *pirated*
software on those systems. If the software publishers feel like making
an example, *you* could draw fines, and maybe even jail time.

If you were in the US, you could draw some really *nasty* fines, and
multiple years in prison.

 AS> Not really I get it for free because he is licensed to get me anything
 AS> he wants on there, don't ask me about that stuff, ask him, all I care
 AS> is that it's free.

Unless you get the CDs, Floppies, or at least the proper "licensing
certificate" from him, it's *not* free. It's *stolen goods*. 

 JDBP> So whenever a dealer tries to "explain" that no, he is required
 JDBP> to hang on to the original installation discs and cannot give
 JDBP> them to you, and no, he cannot even supply you with a software
 JDBP> licence pack of any sort for the software that you have
 JDBP> supposedly bought, be very wary.

 AS> I didn't buy anything, I get everything for free 10 gigs of anything
 AS> you want for free along with a new computer.

Sorry, but *legally* you *did* buy it. As part of the cost of the
system. Also, the penalties for copyright infringement *don't* care if
money changed hands.

The *least* your are going to lose if the law gets involved is the
computer. 

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