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KATHY JOHNSON@1:2410/400 schrieb am 15.06.97
> Klaus, think about this: we brought parrots out of their natural
> habitats into OUR habitat, which is inherently dangerous for them.
BTW: THEIR habitat is _more_ dangerous for them...
> We can cage them,
Indeed, we _must_.
> or pinion them [...] IS irreversible.
You should not even mention that method not to bring any one to the idea.
> becomes the normal way of life for the bird. I have birds here who WON'T
> fly, even when I do let their wings grow in--they prefer to be carried
> around!
If I got those birds, I would immediately train them to fly again.
> And yes, I clipped my budgies when I had them, to keep them from getting
> up onto the high light fixtures where I could not reach them to get them
> back down...
Boo boo! Kathi, how can you grin after doing so to a budgie?
You'd bedder take a ladder ;-)
Clipping budgies is IMHO the very last!
I do accept that there are dangers for a bird flying in the living room.
But:
You have to choose between two evils (clipping or accidents).
I'd prefer a flying bird, who perhaps one time flies against a thing
(curtains before windows are obl.!) but learns from that.
And:
Sometimes bird keepers are more afraid of things than their animals.
e. g.: I never let my amazons fly free. But friends of mine do so with their 
pair
- and the birds always return to their house, like cats.
(I'd never thought that it works!)
It's really phantastic, to see, how these amazons fly free in the garden.
In this family, they do not say "Close the window, the parrots should not
fly _out_."
They use to say: "...the parrots shall not fly _in_."
The amazons sit on the board outside the kitchen window looking what mama
prepares.
The parrots are not allowed to gnaw in the house, when indoor, they must  
reside in a cage.
And they return from their day trips every evening.
I hear you say: Such a bird is beaten by a hawk some day..
Yes, perhaps. But he has had a better life before.
Well I know your clipped birds have also a happy life with you!
But remember the ladder... ;-)
read you again
  klAUS!
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