Hello Steve,

>LL>Some authors use very "creative" language.  :)

>SA>Try a search on (eg) "Jesus is also in Mary. All God's Graces have to
>SA>pass through her" to find the weasel words.

>LL>There are lots of web sites and books about "Catholic teachings"
>LL>that are really not Catholic at all.

>SA>If it ain't in the Catechism or the Magisterium, or Encyclical, they sure
>SA>spend a lot of time & effort weaseling to state or imply that it is.

>LL>Some do.  But that doesn't mean that such a teaching exists.

SA>OK, well, don't try the search. :)

Oh, it's fun doing searches.  Even for obscure things.  ;)

SA>Ultimately, trying to understand the meaning of Catholic dogma, let alone
SA>the meaning of the weasel words, is about as futile as wrestling with a
SA>school of jellyfish.

Sometimes it can be.  Especially when finding conflicting answers.  ;)

SA>I've been told that I am "not qualified" to understand the meaning of
SA>the papal bull "Unam Sanctam", which declares, says, determines, and
SA>pronounces ... what, exactly? I guess I could take "Holy Orders" to
SA>find the secret meaning, but I'll stick with the clear wording unless
SA>someone cares to reveal the secret. :)

Obfuscation is a word best left to government bureaucrats.  And church
officials.  ;)

SA>                              

SA>Unam Sanctam

SA>(snip)

SA>"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for
SA>every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to
SA>the authority of the Roman pontiff" (Porro subesse Romano Pontifici
SA>omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus
SA>omnino esse de necessitate salutis).

SA>(snip)

SA>Source: Catholic Encyclopedia - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15126a.htm

I'm a bit rusty on Latin...

--Lee


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