Mulling over LEE LOFASO to STEVE ASHER 13 Dec 2004

G'day Lee...

>LL>Er, after the "rapture" there will be no more
"believers".

SA>Well, no "church age" believers, if the church age ends at
the rapture.
SA>However, there will be fellowservants & brethren of those who were killed
SA>for the word of God & the testimony they held, plus the 144,000 servants
SA>of God from the 12 tribes of the children of Israel, & the great multitude
SA>from the nations which came out of great tribulation (Rev 6 & 7).

 LL> It could also be there is no rapture.  Suppose the "church age"
 LL> ended decades or centuries ago.  Would we know?

I think we would. There are a number of clues from various sources that
we are reaching a point at which Jesus Christ would return for the church
to save it from the wrath to come, or, alternatively, "God" would cause
the judeo-noachides to execute the "blasphemous" /
"idolatrous" Christians,
or Gaia would cause the "negative", "separatist"
Christians to be removed
from the Earth as part of a process of "planetary cleansing" / via the
"sword of cleavage" etc etc.

Those who are "left behind" are unlikely to miss the raptured Christians;
there will be enough dominionists, judeo-noachides, new-agers etc to 
convince the world that the missing people were unworthy to enter the
millennium due to them being idolators / blasphemers / separatist etc.

The timelines for several belief systems might look like this...


Christians [pre-tribulationist]
---------------[rapture]--------tribulation-----[armageddon--millennium]- 


Christians [dominionist / reconstructionist] 
---------------[take dominion of the Earth]--[Christ appears]--[millennium]-


Judeo-noachides
---------------[appearance of Moshiach]--[millennium]-------------------


New-Agers
---------------[appearance of "the Christ" / World Teacher][millennium]--


Moslems
---------------[appearance of the Mahdi]--[global Caliphate]-------------


Baha'is 
-----[succession of messengers through to Baha'u'llah]--[millennium]-------


The above is, of course, very crude.

SA>Possibly, but they would be unlikely to identify as pagans, unless they
SA>abandoned their Christian civil religion. Example - G W Bush considers
SA>that Moslems worship the same God as Christians, which is erroneous, but
SA>Bush probably doesn't identify as a pagan.

 LL> Islam is sort of like a simplified, or watered-down, version of
 LL> Christianity.  Christians and Muslims do hold some things in
 LL> common. But there are also differences.

Some of these differences are that while Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet,
it rejects him as being God or the Son of God, and rejects his crucifixion
- "They slew him not, nor did they crucify him ..." Koran - Surah
Nisaa V157
[that is from "on-line" sources - my Koran is lying around here somewhere,
but not where I can find it to verify that verse :)]

AFAIK, the Al Aqsa Mosque has words to the effect that "God is neither
begotten, nor does he beget" - a direct rejection of Gospel of John 3:16


Cheers, Steve..

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