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echo: educator
to: RICK PEDLEY
from: MATT SMITH
date: 1996-07-06 16:54:00
subject: Re: Discipline

RP>  MS> College freshmen are actually more difficult to handle for their
RP>  MS> instructors, since HS seniors are living at home with parents 
RP> and
RP>  MS> college  students lack that external discipline.
RP> 
RP> Is that so? Has it occurred to you that many college students also
RP> live at home (enrolling in a local college) to save on living 
RP> expenses?
    "Been there, done that"!
    But even at the largely-commuter college that I got my undergrad degree 
from, just under half (then) of students were dorm students for which my 
statement is entirely accurate.
RP> And that older high school students don't necessarily live at home,
    True again for a _few_, but not for most HS students.
RP> and even if they do, aren't necessarily under the control of either
RP> parent to any significant degree?
    Any parental control is greater than _none_, which is what the dorm 
college student is under!
    
RP>  MS> Also, college
RP>  MS> freshmen can cut  class at will unlike HS seniors.
RP> 
RP> Depends on the college. The college in the area where I live requires
RP> its instructors to keep attendance records.
    Colleges rarely allow or encourage profs to require attendance.
    What you cite is so unusual that "The Chronicle of Higher Education" (a 
college profs' newspaper) ran a big article by one prof about his run-ins 
with administrators at his college when he required class attendance!
    Even the rare prof who requires attendance typically allows 3 cuts each 
semester before penalizing the student.
RP>  MS> Also, colleges lack
RP>  MS> the heavy regimentation typical in high schools.
RP> 
RP> Can you explain what you mean by "heavy regimentation"?
    Study halls, "in loco parentis" rules.
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