From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Rich wrote:
>    I didn't question that value of requirements only this specific one
> for which you stated that you are required to use a mechanism for which
> the end user interface is not available or practically so, or so you claim.
>

Arrrg Rich you really are a tit at times. I am asking a straightforward
question here regarding X-Forms.

I take it by your lack of an answer that you either have no idea what MS is
up wrt W3C XForms support in IE or you do know & the answer is that IE
will not support XForms natively & thus we will have to recomend the
Novell IE plugin.

Otherwise you'd have provided a MS url.

Adam



> Rich
>
>
>     "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
>     
field.near the bridge">
>     wrote in message news:433c626d{at}w3.nls.net...
>     Rich wrote:
>      >    Do you really have a requirement that you must use something for
>      > which implementations or practical implementations do not exist?
>     Who
>      > sets these requirements for you?
>      >
>
>     Real requirement. & What is more it may well be that we will be setting
>     the stds for "e-health" worldwide. With Katrina youz
guyz discovered
>     that keeping medical records on paper in a hospital/surgery basement is
>     not always a good thing.
>
>     WRT the requirements, the main one is that it has to be an open std etc
>     such that some poor bloddy angolans or other 3'rd world country don't
>     get stung (as well as that fact that we don't want to be).
>
>
>
>      >    I did try the search you suggested and found
>      > http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/documents/TSCv6.2_2005_7_14_final.pdf
>     which
>      > contains the statement
>      >
>      >
>      >        1. • As with other applications e-Forms have to comply
>     with XML,
>      >           but no specific e-Forms specifications are mandated in
>     the e-GIF.
>      >
>
>
>     We have others. I will see if there is a public doc which details this.
>
>     The nearest I can find is hedged in Sir Humphrey-speak
>
>     http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/faq/faq.asp?section=e%2DGIF&topic=55
>     http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/faq/faq.asp?section=e%2DGIF&topic=55>
>
>     Q. What electronic forms products are e-GIF compliant?
>
>     F"orms that are e-GIF compliant must be able to exchange data in XML or
>     export data into XML. The applicability of the XForms specifications
>     (as
>     defined by W3C) to the e-GIF and other potential XML forms solutions
>     are
>     under review by the e-Forms Working Group."
>
>     It needs to be seen in relation to other QA such as:
>
>     Q.  Is the e-GIF likely to specify open standards for distributed
>     computing?
>
>     The e-GIF specifies standards for Web services; it focuses on
>     technology
>     which is broadly consistent with standards used within the Internet. As
>     a government wide service level architecture matures, further standards
>     for web services and common application services will be evaluated for
>     inclusion in future version of the e-GIF.
>
>     Note in the first Q&A "XForms specifications (as defined
by W3C)"
>
>     I will leave it at that. BTW The move to XML means a move to open stds
>     in gov terms. The recent decision wrt OpenDocument over your side o'the
>     pond is but one. In health terms wait & watch.
>
>
>     However just out of interest could you answer the question I asked
>     originally?
>
>     When will MS be natively supporting XForms in IE or will it be a choice
>     of Moz or  IE + plugin such as the Novell one?
>
>     Adam
>
>      >
>      > Rich
>      >
>      >
>      >     "Adam"      
>      >     > wrote in message
>      >     news:433baaff$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>      >     Mostly a question for Rich S, but others can join in (like I
>     can stop
>      >     you ).
>      >
>      >     We have a requirement that going forward most of our forms
>     should be of
>      >     the XHTML+XFORM variety (google on UK gov e-gif & xform).
>      >
>      >     Moz & others seem to be working towards native support for
>     XForms but
>      >     all I can find wrt IE are some plugins which will undoubtably
>     do the
>      >     job
>      >     but require downloadng etc.etc.
>      >
>      >     Equally OpenOffice2 has a quite good XForms builder & editor
>     & there is
>      >     a fairly neat thing from IBM for eclipse.
>      >
>      >     However can find zilch from MS. Any new wrt IE7 or even your
>     MS dev
>      >     tools & XForms?
>      >
>      >
>      >     Adam

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