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echo: educator
to: SHEILA KING
from: MATT SMITH
date: 1996-07-05 23:10:00
subject: Re: Class Size Over-Rated

SK> -> BUT, these days alcohol has really made a resurgance on college
SK> -> campuses and it has certainly been termed a MAJOR problem. More 
SK> kids
SK> -> are becoming alcoholics, and disciplinary/criminal problems that 
SK> are
SK> -> alcohol-related have increased.
SK> 
SK> I am aware of this. Yes, it is a big problem at our high school, as
SK> well.
    But your HS students are _less_ of a problem with respect to drunkenness 
and serious drug abuse than college kids are, Sheila.  Your HS students live 
at home with their parents, who are a big restraint on how much drinking they 
can get away with...a restraint the same kids don't only months later as 
college students.  
    College freshmen are about the same kids that HS seniors are, but in an 
environment that (typically) allows cutting class or attending at will and in 
which there is no "parent" figure.
    This has become a particularly-severe problem at Guilford Tech, a 2-year 
school.  Previously, many Guilford County HS seniors were dropping out to 
enter Guilford Tech's HS-diploma program...where the severe regimentation of 
a typical public HS was nonexistent.  Discipline problems became so severe, 
both within the HS-diploma program and campuswide, that Guilford Tech 
recently just banned all those under 18 from the HS-degree program.
SK> I did teach a summer course two summers back at Cal Poly Pomona. 
SK> College
SK> Algebra. The lowest math class you can actually get credit for. While 
SK> I
SK> had some students that were problems, I can't say as I noticed any
SK> alchol/drug related problems. Not saying there weren't any. I didn't
SK> look for them.
    The problems _typically_ show up as depressed student achievement due to 
cutting class and not studying, rather than outright drunkenness in class.  
    But a comparative few of the problem drinkers exhibit their problems by 
just being drunk (or hung over) in class.  
    The next time you teach at the college level, ask yourself why student 
achievement in a low-level course like you taught is inexplicably low if it 
seems worse than your HS students taking such low-level courses typically do.
SK> it sound like there are routinely a significant number of students
SK> attending classes while openly drunk, disorderly, and disruptive. 
SK> This
SK> does not coincide with my experience. Whatever.
    It depends entirely on what college you teach at.
    Some of the colleges my father taught at had no problems, others 
rrible!
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