From: "Rich" 

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   The "final stages" in your scenario are that you have malware running =
on your computer.

Rich

  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:4328dcff$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  stop assuming you have malware running, instead assume you are in the =
first stages of getting malware loaded onto the machine by exploiting =
whatever features the machine lends to you.

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:4328c38c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Depending on what you believe the purpose of activation you may =
be right.

       As for being secure, that isn't the discussion here or if you =
think it is you are being a fool.  If you have malware running it can do =
what you can do.  If you don't want it to change something that an admin =
is intended to change then do not run as an admin.  Better still, don't =
run malware.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:432858e3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Gee you make it sound so easy, if the admin owns the machine then =
activation is doomed to failure. Or is there some point to this "more
= tedious"?

      I guess the users' firewall doesn't need to be as secure as the =
copy protection, huh?

      Geo.
        "Rich"  wrote in message news:432844cb{at}w3.nls.net...
           You can't keep out the admin for several reasons.  You can =
make it more tedious but it would be nothing more than window dressing.  =
The admin owns the machine.  Also, if there is any UI to allow a user to =
configure the software, which clearly needs to exist, then there by =
definition is a means to make changes.

           Basically, if malware is already running on a system it can =
do whatever the user account under which it is running can do.

        Rich

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   The
"final stages" in your =
scenario=20
are that you have malware running on your computer.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:4328dcff$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  stop assuming you have malware =
running, instead=20
  assume you are in the first stages of getting malware loaded onto the =
machine=20
  by exploiting whatever features the machine lends to you.
   
  Geo.
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4328c38c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      
Depending on what you =
believe the=20
    purpose of activation you may be right.
     
       As
for being secure, =
that isn't=20
    the discussion here or if you think it is you are being a =
fool.  If you=20
    have malware running it can do what you can do.  If you don't =
want it=20
    to change something that an admin is intended to change then do not =
run as=20
    an admin.  Better still, don't run malware.
     
    Rich
     
    

      "Geo." <fake{at}barkdom.com>=20">mailto:fake{at}barkdom.com">fake{at}barkdom.com>=20
      wrote in message news:432858e3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Gee you make it sound so
easy, if =
the admin=20
      owns the machine then activation is doomed to failure. Or is =
there=20
      some point to this "more tedious"?
       
      I guess the users' =
firewall doesn't need=20
      to be as secure as the copy protection, huh?
       
      Geo.
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:432844cb{at}w3.nls.net...
          
You can't keep out =
the admin=20
        for several reasons.  You can make it more tedious but it =
would be=20
        nothing more than window dressing.  The admin owns the=20
        machine.  Also, if there is any UI to allow a user to =
configure the=20
        software, which clearly needs to exist, then there by definition =
is a=20
        means to make changes.
         
          
Basically, if =
malware is=20
        already running on a system it can do whatever the user account =
under=20
        which it is running can do.
         
        Rich
         

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