From: "Rich" 

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   No.

   We started this silly discussion when you interpreted the statements =
you attributed to symantec "Turn off and remove unneeded
services" and = "many operating systems install auxiliary
services that are not = critical" to mean any service which you would
like to turn off = regardless of whether it is needed or not which you
described as " me = shutting down all those extra services". 
Somewhere in there you tried = to define "critical" with the
laughable "The best way to find out if a = service is critical or not
is to manually stop it and see if anything = breaks, if nothing you need
breaks then I guess it's not critical huh".

   I agreed with symantec and wrote "There is nothing wrong with =
disabling unnecessary optional services".  This isn't what you do. 
What = you do you wrote above which is to disable things you do not
understand = and look to see if you are able to perceive an effect that you
would = call a break.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45eb2d2f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Didn't we start by you saying symantec's words didn't mean what they =
mean?

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45eb1331$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Duh!  If the words had exactly the same meaning and connotations =
then we=20
  wouldn't likely have different words.  If you and geo would like to =
play=20
  word games instead of discussing the actual content go ahead.

  Rich

    "Hrvoje Mesing"  wrote in message=20
  news:45eb07a4{at}w3.nls.net...

    ?
    Not true.

    Critical CAN be needed as unneeded CAN be critical.
    Says my grandmother.

    ...

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    M.



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45e9d602$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Roget's Thesaurus disagrees.  See
    http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/critical%20needed.

    Rich

    "Hrvoje Mesing"  wrote in message
    news:45e9a6fd{at}w3.nls.net...

    unneeded !=3D not critical.


    ---
    M.


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45e6f39e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       unneeded =3D=3D unnecessary =3D=3D optional =3D=3D not critical.

    Rich
    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45e6b7c7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Hmmm... "unneeded", "auxiliary", "not
critical", I don't see the =
term
    "unnecessary optional" in there at all Rich.

    Would you say the dns client service is unneeded, auxiliary, not =
critical?=20
  I
    certainly would unless you are on a large corporate LAN and you =
argued=20
  with
    me about it. See your idea of unneeded and mine are vastly =
different. To=20
  you
    unneeded is something that is not used at all, to me it's anything =
you can
    shut down without breaking the functionality you need.

    I would think the security guys at Symantec (the ones who made that
    recommendation) would think like me and judging from the size of =
their
    products lately, management and the programmers think like you.

    That would explain why they make such a recommendation and at the =
same=20
  time
    get exploited as a virus entry point..

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45e66bb5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Better understanding, I don't think so.  Different opinion, =
absolutely.
    There is nothing wrong with disabling unnecessary optional services. =
 What
    you do is flailing.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45e64067$2{at}w3.nls.net...
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45e4eb2b$1{at}w3.nls.net...

      >>   Now you are trying to read more into what symantec wrote.

      Or perhaps I just have a better understanding of that line of =
thought.

      Geo.


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No.
 
   We
started this silly =
discussion when=20
you interpreted the statements you attributed to symantec "Turn off and remove unneeded
= services" and=20
"many
operating systems install = auxiliary=20
services that are not critical" to mean any service which
you = would like=20
to turn off regardless of whether it is needed or not which you = described as=20
" me shutting
down all those = extra=20
services".  Somewhere in there you tried
to define=20 "critical" with the laughable
"The best=20
way to find out if a service is critical or not is to manually
stop = it and=20
see if anything breaks, if nothing you need breaks then I guess it's not =

critical huh".
 
   I agreed
with symantec and =
wrote=20
"There is
nothing wrong with = disabling=20
unnecessary optional services".  This isn't what
you = do.  What=20
you do you wrote above which is to disable things you do not understand = and look=20
to see if you are able to perceive an effect that you would call a=20
break.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45eb2d2f$1{at}w3.nls.net...Didn't=20
  we start by you saying symantec's words didn't mean what they=20
  mean?Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:45eb1331$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  Duh!  If the words had exactly the same meaning and connotations =
then we=20
  wouldn't likely have different words.  If you and geo would =
like to=20
  play word games instead of discussing the actual content go=20
  ahead.Rich  "Hrvoje
Mesing" <Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr&g=">mailto:Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr">Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message news:45eb07a4{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  ?  Not true.  Critical
CAN be needed as unneeded =
CAN be=20
  critical.  Says my grandmother.  =
... =20
  --- 
M.  "Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message news:45e9d602$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  Roget's Thesaurus disagrees.  See  http://t" target="new">http://t=">http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/critical%20needed">http://t=
hesaurus.reference.com/browse/critical%20needed. =20
  Rich  "Hrvoje Mesing" <Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr&g=">mailto:Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr">Hrvoje.Mesing{at}zg.htnet.hr&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message  news:45e9a6fd{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  unneeded !=3D not critical. 
---  =
M. =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45e6f39e$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  unneeded =3D=3D unnecessary =3D=3D optional =3D=3D not =
critical. =20
  Rich  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45e6b7c7$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  Hmmm... "unneeded", "auxiliary", "not
critical", I don't see the=20
  term  "unnecessary optional" in there at all =
Rich. =20
  Would you say the dns client service is unneeded, auxiliary, not =
critical?=20
  I  certainly would unless you are on a large
corporate =
LAN and=20
  you argued with  me about it. See your idea
of unneeded =
and mine=20
  are vastly different. To you  unneeded is
something that =
is not=20
  used at all, to me it's anything you can  shut down without =
breaking=20
  the functionality you need.  I would think
the security =
guys at=20
  Symantec (the ones who made that  recommendation) would think =
like me=20
  and judging from the size of their  products lately, =
management and=20
  the programmers think like you.  That would
explain why =
they make=20
  such a recommendation and at the same time 
get exploited =
as a=20
  virus entry point.. 
Geo.  "Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
  message news:45e66bb5$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  Better understanding, I don't think so.  Different opinion,=20
  absolutely.  There is nothing wrong with disabling =
unnecessary=20
  optional services.  What  you do is =
flailing. =20
  Rich    "Geo."
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45e64067$2{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45e4eb2b$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  >>   Now you are trying to read more into what =
symantec=20
  wrote.    Or perhaps I
just have a better =
understanding=20
  of that line of thought.   =20
Geo.

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