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to: LEE LOFASO
from: Steve Asher
date: 2004-11-14 21:54:18
subject: Noachide Transformati 2/3

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Hi Lee...

SA>amidst Western civilization. Some Noahides cut all ties with their
SA>past, viewing Jesus and Christianity as irrelevant, possibly harmful,
SA>to their lives and faith. Others retain ties to Jesus as a teacher,
SA>possibly messianic, but reject Christianity and its pagan holidays,
SA>e.g. Easter, Halloween, and Christmas. All reject any Divinity of
SA>Jesus and view prayers to him as idolatry.

 LL> If they reject Jesus, how can Christians accept the 7 laws of Noah?

I think a better question is: if they accept Jesus, how can Christians
accept the 7 noachide laws? Answer: they can't - the two are mutually
exclusive. Either righteousness comes through accepting Jesus Christ
as saviour and lord, or it comes through keeping the (noachide) laws.
According to my Bible, righteousness does not come from keeping the law;
if it did, then Christ has died in vain, and people could save themselves
by their works (they can't).

SA>(snip)

SA>A simple statement of the 7 laws: 1) not to murder. 2) not to worship
SA>idols. 3) not to steal. 4) not to take another's wife or commit
SA>incest. 5) not to eat meat of an animal still alive. 6) not to
SA>blaspheme. 7) to establish well-functioning legal and political
SA>systems. Basically, every person should acknowledge God's Revelation
SA>to Israel, Israel's unique role, and his or her duty to be a decent
SA>human being (plus one "kosher" law above, #5). No one is
encouraged to
SA>become Jewish, though some sources feel that study and observance of
SA>the Torah is good for everyone.

 LL> While seeming to be the same as the 10 Commandments, the 7 laws of
 LL> Noah are not the same.  IOW, religious truth is not the same as
 LL> political opinion.

They will "market" the 7 noachide laws as being similar to the
"Big 10",
or a sub set, while actively removing monuments to the "Big 10" from
court houses & public places. It would be a bit incongruous to have a
"noachide courthouse" with a stone monument of the ten commandments
out the front, I would think. (Australian public buildings don't tend
to have flags and monuments to anything like what happens in the USA)

SA>To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.'.

SA>Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values
SA>and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which
SA>our great Nation was founded;

SA>Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of
SA>society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the
SA>Seven Noahide Laws;

 LL> Did any of the Framers of the Constitution mention the Seven
 LL> Noahide Laws?  No.  Most were Christian.  None were Jewish.  A few
 LL> were Deist. 

I was looking at a picture of the US Supreme Court building on one of the
sites I visted recently ... it said "equal justice for all" or similar;
nothing to imply that US justice was based on separate laws for Jews and
Gentiles (Noachides). I guess that will have to be plastered over when
the "Big 10" monuments are removed.

Cheers, Steve..

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