MS>    I could have gone on about the prestigious university where I got
MS>my law  degree.  While the law school didn't have a problem involving
MS>intoxicated  students in class and attendance, the university's
MS>undergraduates did.  (They  trashed the business district after
MS>winning a basketball championship.)  
School problems go with the territory.  Still, I think that the majority 
of students go to school for the right reasons.  I went to a small 
private college and we had very few of the problems as you described.
And  profs in the law school
MS>faced such problems as affirmative-action students  who couldn't even
MS>read!  Profs _do_ face serious discipline problems.     Ask any
MS>campus-police chief about how much of his campus's rapes and
MS>vandalism are related to intoxication.    
Now drinking and the problems produced are not a college problem but a 
societal one -- something you as a lawyer should be aware of.  Problem 
drinking is a national disgrace and effects families in ways that are 
cruelly unfair.  I have seen how drugs/alcohol had ruined families 
unless the abuser sought help.  It would not surprise me at all to find 
out that most problems college police face are alcohol related.  This is 
probably true in domestic cases and driving accidents.  You could 
probably name others I am sure.
MS>DT> problems as a prof -- in HIS college--.  But you deceive yourself
MS>DT> and  others when you say this was common.  Statistically how many
MS>DT> college  students are we taking about?  5%??  10%??  higher?
MS>DT> Lower??   
MS>    How many drunk students does it take to disrupt a class?  I'd say
MS>very  few!  (Have you ever had this problem in a class you taught or
MS>were a student  in?)
MS>    (Need I add that students intoxicated in class don't learn well?)
I don't know...how many lawyers does it take to write a brief?     Drunk student CAN be expelled and are if they have persistent 
problem.  As far as drunk students in public schools...the same is 
true...they can be expelled...drinking on campus is not tolerated and 
the offender is immediately suspended.  
MS> 
MS>    Most students aren't problem drinkers or heavy abusers of drugs,
Finally!!
MS>but the  ones who are disrupt profs and other students alike.  And
MS>they contribute  disproportionately to serious crimes on
MS>campus...just look at literature  distributed at date-rape seminars
MS>for freshmen! 
Ahhh..date-rape......another topic for another echo.....I think some 
occurrences of date-rapes are exaggerated.  What was once consentual sex 
is now referred to as rape.  You know the law here better than I, what 
is the actual definition of rape?  It is an easy charge to place against 
a man and think of the circumstances...alcohol, partying.  Don't get me 
wrong....I do believe it happens...but not to the degree you suggest.  I 
believe that the "rules" have changed for men and what was once 
considered part of courtship is now bordering on harassment.  Glad Im 
married and don't have to deal with that.  
Just because there is a lot of literature distributed regarding date-
rape doesn't mean the problem is pervasive.  
Next case please!!
Dan
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