DT> I believe you when you say you saw these things.  No one is disputing 
DT> that.  There is no dispute that in some college some where there are 
DT> serious problems, like the ones you have described.  But you over 
DT> generalize when you lump colleges and college students together and 
DT> draw 
DT> conclusions based upon your limited experience.  The problems you 
DT> describe are not the norm.
    I could have gone on about the prestigious university where I got my law 
degree.  While the law school didn't have a problem involving intoxicated 
students in class and attendance, the university's undergraduates did.  (They 
trashed the business district after winning a basketball championship.)  And 
profs in the law school faced such problems as affirmative-action students 
who couldn't even read!  Profs _do_ face serious discipline problems.
    Ask any campus-police chief about how much of his campus's rapes and 
vandalism are related to intoxication.  
DT> problems as a prof -- in HIS college--.  But you deceive yourself and 
DT> others when you say this was common.  Statistically how many college 
DT> students are we taking about?  5%??  10%??  higher?  Lower??  
    How many drunk students does it take to disrupt a class?  I'd say very 
few!  (Have you ever had this problem in a class you taught or were a student 
in?)
    (Need I add that students intoxicated in class don't learn well?)
DT> Doesn't say much for you now does it?  So are you including yourself 
DT> in 
DT> that group or are you an exception??
    Most students aren't problem drinkers or heavy abusers of drugs, but the 
ones who are disrupt profs and other students alike.  And they contribute 
disproportionately to serious crimes on campus...just look at literature 
distributed at date-rape seminars for freshmen!
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