TIP: Click on subject to list as thread! ANSI
echo: consprcy
to: STEVE ASHER
from: LEE LOFASO
date: 2004-12-14 18:13:00
subject: Oz `Freedom of Religion`

Hello Steve,

>SA>They reject Jesus Christ as the one mediator between God and man, who
>SA>gave himself as a ransom for all (as in 1 Timothy 2: 5 and 6), in favour

>GP>So does the largest Christian sect (the RCC) -- they don't believe
>GP>in a single mediator, because they believe Mary is "co-mediatrix with
>GP>Christ"(per catechism)

>LL>Catholics do not hold a belief in Mary as "co-mediatrix with
>LL>Christ". Nor has the Pope, or any previous pope, made any teaching
>LL>declaring Mary as "co-mediatrix".  There certainly is nothing in
>LL>the Catechism of the Catholic Church stating Mary as
>LL>"co-mediatrix".  And there is no papal encyclical stating Mary as
>LL>"co-mediatrix".

>SA>It may not have been officially proclaimed as dogma, but it is a widely
>SA>held Catholic belief that Mary is "co-redemptrix",
"mediatrix of all
>SA>graces", "Mediatrix Potentissima" and other
(blasphemous) titles.

>LL>Some Catholics hold even weirder beliefs.  But just because some
>LL>Catholics hold a certain belief does not mean that it is the
>LL>teaching of the Church.

>SA>(Source: "The Woman Shall Conquer", by Don Sharkey / Prow Books,
>SA>Franciscan Marytown Press - Libertyville IL. Nihil Obstat - John A
>SA>Schulien - Censor Librorum. Imprimatur - Moyses E Kiley - Archbishop
>SA>of Milwaukee - 1952)

>LL>If it ain't in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or in a Papal
>LL>Encyclical, it ain't part of the Teaching or Magisterium of the
>LL>Church.

SA>Oh, well, the Catholics would do well to ditch all the "weasel words"
SA>that state or imply that Mary is co-redemptrix, that "the redemptive
SA>grace of Christ is conferred on nobody without the actual intercessory
SA>co-operation of Mary" etc etc.

Some authors use very "creative" language.  :)

SA>Try a search on (eg) "Jesus is also in Mary. All God's Graces have to
SA>pass through her" to find the weasel words.

There are lots of web sites and books about "Catholic teachings" that
are really not Catholic at all.

SA>If it ain't in the Catechism or the Magisterium, or Encyclical, they sure
SA>spend a lot of time & effort weaseling to state or imply that it is.

Some do.  But that doesn't mean that such a teaching exists.

--Lee


 * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Try Our Web Based QWK: DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:123/140)
SEEN-BY: 633/267 270
@PATH: 123/140 500 106/2000 633/267

SOURCE: echomail via fidonet.ozzmosis.com

Email questions or comments to sysop@ipingthereforeiam.com
All parts of this website painstakingly hand-crafted in the U.S.A.!
IPTIA BBS/MUD/Terminal/Game Server List, © 2025 IPTIA Consulting™.