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Hi David and Miles....
Again I am back... with a comment....
With 47% of Ontario's population voting, they only show how just
fedup they are with the Governments they elect everytime.
-=> Quoting David Williams to Miles Maxted <=-
-> Coalitions tend to avoid extremes - if that is 'governing better'.
-> In my view, thorny issues go further back with coalitions than
-> with majority governments...
Since I am not sure who penned this ... When you say "coalition"
do you mean "minority". I think coalition is when a party in
minority makes a deal to govern with another, so long as their
interests are covered and considered...or it ends.
A "coalition" is also when the government is defeated in a
"non-confidence vote" or a bill, and must file a writ with
the Lieutant Governor-General to issue a election decree.
The Lt. Governor-Gen can also ask the other partys to form
a govenment, or ask for a coalition of partys to form a
government.
In either case they must work together for the common good.
Yes they remember the thorn issues, but the alternative is
the ballot box and what the electorate are going to say
with their votes.
DW>
DW> Not always. The two largest parties here are the Liberals and the
DW> Conservatives. The third-largest is the New Democratic Party, which is
DW> social-democratic. The Greens are fourth. The Conservatives are
DW> definitely on the right of the political spectrum, and the NDP on the
DW> left. The Liberals try to command the centre, which is why they are
DW> often in power. But, a few decades ago when Pierre Trudeau was Prime
DW> Minister, the Liberals won only a minority, and had to make a
DW> coalition with the NDP to govern. The result was that policies well to
DW> the left of the Liberals' usual position were put into effect.
DW>
I have a different viewpoint of the Conservatives or PC-Reform or
whatever. When the Reform were winning in the west...they were small
angry small Cs ... the only reason the joined into the Conservatives
again to be PCs .... and Liberals....centre? Really! PC and LIB
all represent Bay Street and Corporate Canada ... that is shown by
the donations and who they cater to... Bay Street...always looking
for profit and who really cares about any citizen. Whatever party
reflects Bay Street is going to be elected...and supported with
CA$H! Once elected...payback time, in the proper things done
like chiseling away Health Care...etc.
NDP'ers okay ex-CCFs and Tommy Douglas and all....but I've watch
those who can not get into being nominated in either the PC or
LIB to stand for election...they try to wannabee it with the NDP.
I shudder to think of Ms. Rosie Grear and our local MPP who was NDP
at the time. The MPP was silent....quiet...when the NDP government
of BOB RAE wanted to put a dump right up here on the shores of
lake simcoe. Our silent MPP never
said a thing at the many meetings with him. It actually took
citizens again rising in revolt to get them to take another look
at the situation...then and only then...and too late our MMP
found his voice.
All the other partys and the NDP have their own agendas that
in some cases are but only with that one candidate as I noted
speaking to some of them. No point a vote, but just if
bored with the rest...and a joke...lets see who gets the
throw away votes....mmmm the Green Party.
-> DW> There's an empirical rule called the Cube Rule that predicts pretty
-> DW> well how many seats the parties get. The numbers of seats are
-> DW> proportional to the *cubes* of the numbers of votes. If you calculate
-> DW> the numbers of seats this rule predicts with the voting
numbers above,
-> DW> they are pretty accurate.
-> It works very well over NZ's voting history, too - but I've never
-> ever managed to get any of our political scientists to give it
-> credence.
DW>
DW> It works well in Britain, too, but not in Canada on the federal level.
DW> The reason for that is that there is a party, the Bloc Quebecois,
DW> which is popular in one province, Quebec, but has no support
DW> elsewhere. So it wins a lot of seats in Quebec, even though, on a
DW> national level, its share of the vote is low, such that the cube rule
DW> would predict it would get no seats, or very few. Basically, if there
DW> are parties with localized support, the cube rule fails.
The BLOC does not run candidates anywhere in CANADA...and they don't
want too! They only care for Quebec...and their dream... I also
want for them their dream and I have collected Canadian Tire Bu$ks
just for them.
-> Suddenly, we're out of both soccer and rugby worlds and looking
-> succeed at lacrosse (sorry, Lacrossians) or tiddleywinks or
-> summat... :-(
DW>
DW> Lacrosse is a good game. It was originally played by North American
DW> "Indians", and is still popular and taken seriously here.
NZ would be
DW> welcome to play us, but I bet we'd trounce you.
DW>
Shades of the 1972 Hockey Showdown ....mmmm
DW> Incidentally, I'm going to be away for the next 3.5 weeks. Have fun...
DW>
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Hello Toronto ... Glad you told Mr. Tory where to go.
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