Yes Matt, but you seem to have no teaching experience to speak as an 
authority about anything dealing with education.  Yet you make 
statements about education that those of us who have been in education 
for years disagree with.  Yet you blabber on about your "observations" 
and cite your college experiences and conversations with your professor 
dad as sufficient evidence that the things you say are true.  Never mind 
that current educational research debunks your theories, you have seen 
it for yourself -- so you ignore the facts.  If it happened to you it 
must occur everywhere and you make it the norm.  Really Matt, you have 
suggested that 60 elementary students in a single classroom would be 
much easier than 60 college students.  That is not ignorance on your 
part, it is stupidity.  
I saw many things, when I was a student in college, that I found 
disturbing.  Many of the "discipline problems" you mention were, in my 
experience, dealing with college freshmen.  Yet I saw many "freshmen" 
taking course work seriously.  Still these "FEW" college freshmen did 
present a discipline challenge to the professors.  But the numbers were 
small and no where near the picture you paint.
So Matt, do you have teaching experience?  Or do you just have student 
experience.  If you are a professional educator then you may have 
something important to add to this echo.  So tell us Matt, what do you 
do professionally?  
 MS>CB> I took a few weeks away from the echo as we closed out the 
school
MS>CB> year 
MS>CB> here and things got hectic for me.  When I returned, I was
MS>CB> surprised  to 
MS>CB> see so many conference inhabitants debating with Matt again.  It
MS>CB> is a  very interesting dilemma - is he really as ignorant of the 
MS>CB> educational 
MS>CB> system as he seems, or is he just baiting everyone? 
MS> 
MS>    My father was a professor for 25+ years.
MS>    I just cited his own observations, shared by many of his
MS>colleagues,  about "discipline problems" in college teaching...some
MS>of which I saw myself  as a student.  
MS>    Is that "ignorance"?
MS> 
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