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Would it be funny if MS announced they were going to support something =
that wasn't currently supported? I would think as governments begin to =
develop their own opensource software they should be viewed from that =
same point, no?
Geo.
"Rich" wrote in message news:433d5d60{at}w3.nls.net...
I understand your question. It is the mandate you have that I find =
humorous. Don't you?
Rich
"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> =
wrote in message news:433cfea4{at}w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> I didn't question that value of requirements only this specific =
one=20
> for which you stated that you are required to use a mechanism for =
which=20
> the end user interface is not available or practically so, or so =
you claim.
> =20
Arrrg Rich you really are a tit at times. I am asking a =
straightforward=20
question here regarding X-Forms.
I take it by your lack of an answer that you either have no idea =
what MS=20
is up wrt W3C XForms support in IE or you do know & the answer is =
that=20
IE will not support XForms natively & thus we will have to recomend =
the=20
Novell IE plugin.
Otherwise you'd have provided a MS url.
Adam
> Rich
> =20
>=20
> "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
>
field.near the =
bridge">
> wrote in message news:433c626d{at}w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
> > Do you really have a requirement that you must use =
something for
> > which implementations or practical implementations do not =
exist?=20
> Who
> > sets these requirements for you?
> >
>=20
> Real requirement. & What is more it may well be that we will =
be setting
> the stds for "e-health" worldwide. With Katrina youz guyz =
discovered
> that keeping medical records on paper in a hospital/surgery =
basement is
> not always a good thing.
>=20
> WRT the requirements, the main one is that it has to be an =
open std etc
> such that some poor bloddy angolans or other 3'rd world =
country don't
> get stung (as well as that fact that we don't want to be).
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > I did try the search you suggested and found
> > =
http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/documents/TSCv6.2_2005_7_14_final.pdf
> which
> > contains the statement
> >=20
> >
> > 1. =95 As with other applications e-Forms have to =
comply
> with XML,
> > but no specific e-Forms specifications are =
mandated in
> the e-GIF.
> >
>=20
>=20
> We have others. I will see if there is a public doc which =
details this.
>=20
> The nearest I can find is hedged in Sir Humphrey-speak
>=20
> =
http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/faq/faq.asp?section=3De%2DGIF&topic=3D55
> =
http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/faq/faq.asp?section=3De%2DGIF&topic=3D55>
>=20
> Q. What electronic forms products are e-GIF compliant?
>=20
> F"orms that are e-GIF compliant must be able to exchange data =
in XML or
> export data into XML. The applicability of the XForms =
specifications
> (as
> defined by W3C) to the e-GIF and other potential XML forms =
solutions
> are
> under review by the e-Forms Working Group."
>=20
> It needs to be seen in relation to other QA such as:
>=20
> Q. Is the e-GIF likely to specify open standards for =
distributed
> computing?
>=20
> The e-GIF specifies standards for Web services; it focuses on
> technology
> which is broadly consistent with standards used within the =
Internet. As
> a government wide service level architecture matures, further =
standards
> for web services and common application services will be =
evaluated for
> inclusion in future version of the e-GIF.
>=20
> Note in the first Q&A "XForms specifications (as defined by =
W3C)"
>=20
> I will leave it at that. BTW The move to XML means a move to =
open stds
> in gov terms. The recent decision wrt OpenDocument over your =
side o'the
> pond is but one. In health terms wait & watch.
>=20
>=20
> However just out of interest could you answer the question I =
asked
> originally?
>=20
> When will MS be natively supporting XForms in IE or will it be =
a choice
> of Moz or IE + plugin such as the Novell one?
>=20
> Adam
>=20
> >=20
> > Rich
> >=20
> >
> > "Adam"
> > > wrote
in message
> > news:433baaff$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Mostly a question for Rich S, but others can join in =
(like I
> can stop
> > you ).
> >
> > We have a requirement that going forward most of our =
forms
> should be of
> > the XHTML+XFORM variety (google on UK gov e-gif & =
xform).
> >
> > Moz & others seem to be working towards native support =
for
> XForms but
> > all I can find wrt IE are some plugins which will =
undoubtably
> do the
> > job
> > but require downloadng etc.etc.
> >
> > Equally OpenOffice2 has a quite good XForms builder & =
editor
> & there is
> > a fairly neat thing from IBM for eclipse.
> >
> > However can find zilch from MS. Any new wrt IE7 or even =
your
> MS dev
> > tools & XForms?
> >
> >
> > Adam
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Would it be funny if MS announced they =
were going=20
to support something that wasn't currently supported? I would think as=20
governments begin to develop their own opensource software they should = be
viewed=20
from that same point, no?
Geo.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:433d5d60{at}w3.nls.net...
I
understand your =
question. It=20
is the mandate you have that I find humorous. Don't =
you?
Rich
"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemole=">mailto:"4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the'>"4thwormcastfromthemole=
hill\"{at}the=20
field.near the bridge"> wrote in message news:433cfea4{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
wrote:> I didn't
question that value of=20
requirements only this specific one > for which you stated =
that you=20
are required to use a mechanism for which > the end user =
interface is=20
not available or practically so, or so you claim.> =20
Arrrg Rich you really are a tit at times. I am asking a=20
straightforward question here regarding
X-Forms.I take =
it by=20
your lack of an answer that you either have no idea what MS is =
up wrt=20
W3C XForms support in IE or you do know & the answer is that =
IE will=20
not support XForms natively & thus we will have to recomend the=20
Novell IE plugin.Otherwise you'd have
provided a MS=20
url.Adam>
Rich> >=20
>
"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemole=">mailto:"4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the'>"4thwormcastfromthemole=
hill\"{at}the> =20
<mailto:"4thwormcastfrom=">mailto:"4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the'>mailto:"4thwormcastfrom=
themolehill\"{at}the>=20
field.near the
bridge">>
wrote in =
message=20
news:433c626d{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
Rich wrote:> =
> Do=20
you really have a requirement that you must use something=20
for>
> which implementations =
or=20
practical implementations do not exist? =
> =20
Who>
> sets these =
requirements for=20
you?>
>>=20
> Real
requirement. & What is =
more it may=20
well be that we will be
setting> the =
stds for=20
"e-health" worldwide. With Katrina youz guyz=20
discovered>
that keeping medical =
records on=20
paper in a hospital/surgery basement =
is> not=20
always a good thing.>
> WRT =
the=20
requirements, the main one is that it has to be an open std=20
etc> such that
some poor bloddy =
angolans or=20
other 3'rd world country
don't> get =
stung (as=20
well as that fact that we don't want to be).>
> =
>=20
>
> I did =
try the=20
search you suggested and
found> =
>
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t; =20
which>
> contains the=20
statement>
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> =20
>> =20
>
1. =95 As with other=20
applications e-Forms have to
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with=20
XML,> =20
>
but =
no=20
specific e-Forms specifications are mandated=20
in> the=20
e-GIF.>
>> >=20
> We have
others. I will see if there =
is a=20
public doc which details this.> =
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=3D55">http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/faq/faq.asp?section=3De%2DGIF&topic=3D=
55>>=20
> Q. What
electronic forms products =
are e-GIF=20
compliant?>
> F"orms that
are =
e-GIF=20
compliant must be able to exchange data in XML=20
or> export
data into XML. The =
applicability=20
of the XForms
specifications> =20
(as> defined
by W3C) to the e-GIF and =
other=20
potential XML forms
solutions> =20
are> under
review by the e-Forms =
Working=20
Group.">
> It needs to be
seen =
in=20
relation to other QA such as:> =
> =20
Q. Is the e-GIF likely to specify open standards for=20
distributed>
computing?>=20
> The e-GIF
specifies standards for =
Web=20
services; it focuses
on> =20
technology>
which is broadly =
consistent with=20
standards used within the Internet. =
As> a=20
government wide service level architecture matures, further=20
standards> for
web services and =
common=20
application services will be evaluated =
for> =20
inclusion in future version of the e-GIF.>=20
> Note in the
first Q&A "XForms=20
specifications (as defined by W3C)"> =
> =20
I will leave it at that. BTW The move to XML means a move to open=20
stds> in gov
terms. The recent =
decision wrt=20
OpenDocument over your side
o'the> =
pond is=20
but one. In health terms wait & watch.>
>=20
> However just
out of interest could =
you=20
answer the question I
asked> =20
originally?>
> When will MS be
=
natively supporting XForms in IE or will it be a=20
choice> of Moz
or IE + plugin =
such as=20
the Novell one?>
> =
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> >=20
> >=20
Rich>
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> =20
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> =20
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wrote in
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> news:433baaff$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
> =20
> Mostly a question for
Rich S, but =
others can=20
join in (like I> can=20
stop> =
> you=20
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>> =
> We=20
have a requirement that going forward most of our=20
forms> should be=20
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> the=20
XHTML+XFORM variety (google on UK gov e-gif &=20
xform).> =20
>> =
> Moz=20
& others seem to be working towards native support=20
for> XForms=20
but> =
> all I=20
can find wrt IE are some plugins which will=20
undoubtably> do=20
the> =
> =20
job> =
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require downloadng
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>> =
> =20
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> =20
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>> =20
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> =20
Adam
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