From: "Rich" 

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  Irrelevant.  People like you may intend to steal what you can but you =
would anyway.

Rich

  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:43510699$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  HDCP is such a stupid idea. All it takes is one person to hook into =
the monitor signal after the decryption or one person to build an HDCP =
capable recording device and all the protected media will end up on the =
file share networks completely unprotected. HDCP is an idea that's = doomed
to failure, and if the content is something people want to see = and those
people don't have HDCP capabilities guess where they are going = to get the
content instead of buying it?

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:4350898c{at}w3.nls.net...
       The "strings" to which you refer apply only to the new feature so =
its not really a string. =20

       I suspect DVD region coding is unknown to most DVD users in the =
U.S.

       An alternative to HDCP capable monitors is either effectively the =
same or not an alternative if HDCP is mandated.  Even so, I think you =
have it backwards.  There is no restriction imposed by an HDCP capable =
monitor just like there is none from an HDCP capable television.  It is =
the content that imposes the restriction.  This will either succeed or =
fail depending on whether the target customers mind the restriction.  =
HDCP capable TVs and monitors the issue go away for the people that have =
them.

    Rich

      "Tony Williams"  wrote in message =
news:4350682e{at}w3.nls.net...
      The question in my mind is whether people will want that =
capability if=20
      it comes with strings attached. It worked in the US with region =
encoded=20
      DVDs because that wasn't such a big deal at the time (most of the=20
      blockbuster DVDs come out first in the US so why should people =
here care).

      Look outside the US and "region free" DVD players are very popular =
-=20
      enough so that HD-DVD won't have region encoding. If there are =
similar=20
      alternatives to  HDCP-capable monitors then that's what people =
will buy.=20
      And this time the US will be in the same boat as the rest of the =
world.

      --=20
      Tony

      Rich wrote:
      >    It seems simple to me.  People will buy HDCP capable computer =

      > displays if or when they want to view content that requires =
HDCP.  This=20
      > is not something people do on computers today so it should =
appear as a=20
      > new feature of new hardware and software.
      > =20
      > Rich
      > =20
      >=20
      >     "Tony Williams"  =
wrote in
      >     message news:43500e4b{at}w3.nls.net...
      >=20
      >     Fair point when it comes to home systems, but even so =
there's a
      >     limit to
      >     what people will put up with. I suppose it's a matter of =
public
      >     awareness and the public is getting more savvy when it comes =
to
      >     computers.
      >=20
      >     I still think it will take legislation to make =
DRM-encumbered monitors
      >     sell, to take one example.
      >=20
      >     --=20
      >     Tony
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Irrelevant.  People like =
you may intend=20
to steal what you can but you would anyway.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:43510699$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  HDCP is such a stupid idea. All it =
takes is one=20
  person to hook into the monitor signal after the decryption or one =
person to=20
  build an HDCP capable recording device and all the protected media =
will end up=20
  on the file share networks completely unprotected. HDCP is an idea =
that's=20
  doomed to failure, and if the content is something people want to see =
and=20
  those people don't have HDCP capabilities guess where they are going =
to get=20
  the content instead of buying it?
   
  Geo.
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4350898c{at}w3.nls.net...
       The
"strings" to which =
you refer=20
    apply only to the new feature so its not really a string. =20

     
       I
suspect DVD region =
coding is=20
    unknown to most DVD users in the U.S.
     
       An
alternative to HDCP =
capable=20
    monitors is either effectively the same or not an alternative if =
HDCP is=20
    mandated.  Even so, I think you have it backwards.  There =
is no=20
    restriction imposed by an HDCP capable monitor just like there is =
none from=20
    an HDCP capable television.  It is the content that imposes the =

    restriction.  This will either succeed or fail depending on =
whether the=20
    target customers mind the restriction.  HDCP capable TVs and =
monitors=20
    the issue go away for the people that have
them.
    Rich
     
    
      "Tony Williams" <tonyw{at}blarg.net>">mailto:tonyw{at}blarg.net">tonyw{at}blarg.net>
wrote in =
message news:4350682e{at}w3.nls.net...Th=
e=20
      question in my mind is whether people will want that capability if =
it=20
      comes with strings attached. It worked in the US with region =
encoded=20
      DVDs because that wasn't such a big deal at the time (most of =
the=20
      blockbuster DVDs come out first in the US so why should people =
here=20
      care).Look outside the US and "region
free" DVD players =
are very=20
      popular - enough so that HD-DVD won't have region encoding. If =
there=20
      are similar alternatives to  HDCP-capable monitors then =
that's=20
      what people will buy. And this time the US will be in the same =
boat as=20
      the rest of the world.--
TonyRich=20
      wrote:>    It seems
simple to me.  =
People will=20
      buy HDCP capable computer > displays if or when they want =
to view=20
      content that requires HDCP.  This > is not
something =
people do=20
      on computers today so it should appear as a > new feature =
of new=20
      hardware and software.>  >
Rich>  =
>=20
      >     "Tony
Williams" <tonyw{at}blarg.net">mailto:tonyw{at}blarg.net">tonyw{at}blarg.net
<mailto:tonyw{at}blarg.net>>">mailto:tonyw{at}blarg.net">mailto:tonyw{at}blarg.net>>
=
wrote=20
      in>     message news:43500e4b{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
      >     Fair point
when it comes to home =
systems,=20
      but even so there's
a>     limit=20
      to>     what
people will put up with. I =
suppose=20
      it's a matter of
public>     awareness
=
and the=20
      public is getting more savvy when it comes=20
      to>    
computers.>=20
      >     I still
think it will take =
legislation to=20
      make DRM-encumbered
monitors>     sell, =
to take=20
      one example.>
>     --=20
      >    =20
Tony

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