On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, Nicholas Boel wrote to mark lewis:

 ml> *I* don't have a problem with it... others do...

 NB> Then why aren't "others" joining the conversation? 

maybe because we're in the OTHERNETS echo which isb't generally read
because it has been nothing but repetitive robot postings for the most part
of the last two decades?? the discussion really hasn't been on topic for
this area anyway ;)

 NB> It only seems to be you for  some odd reason.

maybe because i scan through all areas that my systems carry... there's
nothing like seeing the same messages 5 or 6 times over %|

 NB>> You're right. It's the sysop's choice. And myself (as a sysop), I
 NB>> choose to do  it the way I want to do it.

 ml> agreed... but you and others putting logos and drawings in the DIZ
 ml> files are forcing other sysops to

 ml>   1. have to edit the file descriptions to clean them up.
 ml> or
 ml>   2. have crappy looking file descriptions
 ml> or
 ml>   3. delete the files

 NB> They do not have to do anything. It may look like crap somewhere,
 NB> but  elsewhere it will look fine. It all depends on what software
 NB> the sysop chooses  to use.

not doing anything is doing something ;)  everyone has to do something even
if it is nothing... in this case, nothing would equate to possibly having
crappy looking (wrapped or not) file descriptions...

 ml> hell, i spent 12 hours the other day having to edit file descriptions
 ml> on my system because so many came in with bad or truncated
 ml> descriptions... i still have several thousand more to do and just
 ml> thinking about it pisses me off...

 NB> And I'll leave mine well enough alone, because it's not nearly as
 NB> big a deal  as you seem to think it is. 

yeah... sure...


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they look pretty crappy to me... they're not wrapped, either... they are
too long and truncated...

there's still roughly 1000 to fix in the one group... the really cruddy
part is that some (maybe most) of them do have file_id.diz but they are
broken dizes... they have *nix EOL (end of line) characters instead of the
traditional format using CRLF (carriage return and line feed)... as such,
they break database pretty badly and still require manual editing to fix
them :(

 ml> making a choice to wrap descriptions is not having an 80's POV nor is
 ml> it using software that has not evolved... those are poor arguments...

 NB> Wrapping file_id.diz's shouldn't be done, period. file_id.diz's
 NB> were meant to  be 45 characters wide. So any original file_id.diz

actually, 45 characters or less in width... that's because 45 character
width is what was set in one BBS software package for the column used to
hold the files' descriptions... some systems allow for more width... some
have to use less... my system allows be to choose what ever i want and to
list the parts in any order i want... i could make the description come
first if i wanted to... it is a simple template to edit... that's another
reason why the specs were specified the way they were... it easliy allowed
for re-wrapping since everything was all words or numbers and not
drawings... but whatever... obviously i don't know or understand any of
this because i was there when it was developed...

 ml> then why the hell did you try to bring the FTSC into the discussion???

 NB> Because at the moment, you're doing something that an FTSC member
 NB> shouldn't be  doing, and that's forcing your (and a very FEW
 NB> others) beliefs onto someone  else.

please tell me this is a joke and that you didn't make that rookie mistake
of thinking that someone wears their hats all the time... i've not had my
FTSC (or my NC) hat on at all in this discussion... i don't recall the FTSC
having anything to do with the standard being discussed... i'm just an
average joe sysop here... one who is, admittedly, quite peeved because of
how his files areas look because of others' frak-ups...

 ml> it quoted robert's post and as such, it was a reply to robert's
 ml> post... i never tried to make it a problem and i certainly didn't want
 ml> the shit to go on as long as it has... once again, i only tried to
 ml> explain why the posted request was made... you bounced back in defense
 ml> instead of looking at the situation from other's points of view and
 ml> acknowledging the problem...

 NB> No. It was NOT a reply to Robert's post. 

you had to hit the [R]eply button to quote it, nick... it was a reply...

 NB> The message was (on purpose, mind you) directed to ALL. 

it doesn't matter who it was addressed to... followups, which some of your
software can do, are also replies even though they are addressed by default
to the same person the one being quoted was responding to...

 NB> He wants to stop releasing infopacks on his FDN, 

no he doesn't... his FDN is infopacks! he asked that people respect and
follow the file_id.diz specs... if they cannot do that, /then/ he would not
hatch their packs...


 ml> BTW: your system seems to be down again... web site is inaccessible
 ml> and so is your mailer... traceroutes reach your system IP, though... i
 ml> hope it isn't anything serious...

 NB> It wasn't, and is fixed now. Gentoo is getting an attitude with me,

if i had a faster and more reliable way to let you know, i would have done
so... i had not had any luck connecting since about 0500 my time IIRC...

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