From: "Robert Comer" 

> Robert which do you like better, Virtual PC or VMWare workstation?

It depends on the task at hand, I have and use both, as well as Virtual
Server from Microsoft, but for most of my VM work which is programming and
testing in a Windows environment, I like Virtual PC the most.

I tend to use VMware if I want to use Linux any, and I use Virtual Server
if I want to do any long term testing in Windows.  I probably will move
some production tasks to VM's running on Virtual Server R2 in not too long
a time...

--
Bob Comer


"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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> Robert which do you like better, Virtual PC or VMWare workstation?
>
> Gary
>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
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>> >no way could you do 30 each of those doing 20 sites, not
>> > going to happen.
>>
>> I think you're selling it short.
>>
>> > The hosting business is very competitive, you can't afford lots of
>> > anything
>> > unless people are willing to pay for it. Nobody running windows is
>> > doing
>> > virtual servers this way. Mostly when you rent a full server it's a
>> > physical
>> > machine, you even get access to a remote power switch.
>>
>> I think you'll see some changes soon enough that way, even in that type
>> of
>> business, there's no physical reason a coloc machine has to be a real
>> one,
>> even down to the remote power switch. (in fact, you'd never know it was a
>> virtual machine without some registry browsing.)
>>
>> > show me someone doing windows virtual servers. All the one's I've seen
>> > where
>> > you get admin access to the machine are really physical machines.
>>
>> You talk to that world more than I, but I talk to the corp world and
> they're
>> doing it virtual more and more -- some have been doing it for a lot of
> years
>> already...
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Geo"  wrote in message
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>> > "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>> > news:4380a981{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >
>> >> Yeah, so in your scenario about you get rooted, it's all lost, in
>> >> mine,
>> > say
>> >> I have 15 virtual servers, each serving 400 sites, one
gets rooted, I
>> >> only
>> >> lose 1/15'th of my sites.
>> >
>> > It doesn't work that way, first you won't be hosting 100's of sites per
>> > virtual server because of the load, 600 sites on a fast dual cpu
>> > machine
>> > with no virtual copies of the OS running is pushing it, with virtual
>> > servers
>> > you would be isolating each customer to their own virtual machine so
> maybe
>> > you could do 30, no way could you do 30 each of those doing 20 sites,
> not
>> > going to happen.
>> >
>> > Now to the rooted issue. I guess if one virtual server is running PHP
> and
>> > gets rooted then it might just affect that one site, otoh if it's a
> patch
>> > issue and it got rooted because of the OS or something all the virtual
>> > servers have in common then they probably all get rooted. It is safer
> but
>> > only partially safer in that you could allow folks to run executable
>> > extensions of their choice without really increasing the risk to the
> other
>> > hosted sites.
>> >
>> >> Yep, and that's actually a benefit, no servers administrator has
>> >> access
>> >> to
>> >> any of the other servers, total isolation, in your
scheme, and admin
>> >> is
>> >> an
>> >> admin, he has it all, and it's true, you need a lot of RAM and disk
> too,
>> > but
>> >> the advantages outweigh they disadvantages for a LOT of
companies out
>> > here.
>> >> I could even have the DB and mail servers as a 16th and
17th VM, and
> keep
>> >> them just as secure as if they were on separate hardware.
>> >
>> > The hosting business is very competitive, you can't afford lots of
>> > anything
>> > unless people are willing to pay for it. Nobody running windows is
>> > doing
>> > virtual servers this way. Mostly when you rent a full server it's a
>> > physical
>> > machine, you even get access to a remote power switch.
>> >
>> >> You'd really be shocked at how many, the big guys have
been using it
> for
>> >> years, and now its filtering down into the middle and
smaller tiers.
>> > (think
>> >> more than just websites, but db, app servers, printer/fileshare
>> >> servers
>> > too)
>> >> Even the hardware companies are making it easier with VT
and Pacifica.
>> >
>> > show me someone doing windows virtual servers. All the one's I've seen
>> > where
>> > you get admin access to the machine are really physical machines.
>> >
>> > Geo.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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