RM> I was suggesting here that working with the CLI (command line
RM> interface) is probably pointless since so much is now done
RM> using a GUI... The GUI also helps prevent "accidental" damage
RM> being done which is all too easy using CLI...
RP>Regrettably, no one seems to understand anything about even the
RP>simplest things like file and directory structure anymore. I saw
RP>the same phenomenon happen with the Mac in '84; a file is dragged
RP>and dropped into the wrong "folder" (because there were a bunch
RP>overlapping one another on the desktop) and suddenly that file
RP>has completely "vanished".
GRIN..... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!  You're
right that the GUI has had unfortunate side effects; one
being that since so much is being handled FOR you, it allows
someone with limited knowledge to function successfully
(a good thing), but also to mess up royally without knowing
it (a bad thing)...
RP>He thought there is only one directory, Windows 95, on his C: drive, 
RP>and everything he installed was going into that -- somewhere.
He's only off a little - Everything is going on C: -- 
somewhere!    ;-)
RP>The problem is Windows isn't nearly so good as System 7.x at hiding 
RP>the underpinnings, and when the slightest thing goes wrong, it's 
RP>like trying to pick up dimes wearing oven mitts; Windows just gets 
RP>in the way when serious work needs to be done.
I'm inclined to agree with you; took me a LONG time to be
comfortable working with OS/2's GUI (I avoided WINDOWS like
the plague, so had limited experience with GUI).. It's grown
on me over time, but I still do a lot from the commmandline.
 RM> you're going to lose them.... Let them "play" with a GUI..
 RM> Any formatting, etc, let them do from the GUI.  Forget
 RM> programming; if one out of 200 goes anywhere with programming
 RM> it'll be a miracle...
RP>This is "old think" Ron.....
I take your point, Rick, and I agree that there are places
to go with programming (although I suspect there will be a
lot more of the programs-writing-programs software around
in years to come)... My concern here stems from the way that
things went in high school - Computer courses became just
programming courses under the aegis of the math department.
They then became another math class.  Kids stayed away in
droves.  I think that for 6th graders you have to approach
this the way one does when s/he is trying to get a child's
interest: Make it fun first, THEN, if the child becomes
"hooked", bring in the complications...
 RM> Wordprocessing is big; they're going to need it, and it's easy 
 RM>enough to get them to write a report on what they did on a given day...
RP>What they're going to do Ron, is speak into a small microphone,
RP>whereupon the converted speech-to-text will be passed through
RP>spelling and grammar-checking filters.
Dictation will likely become the way things go, but word
processing isn't just dictating text (of course I guess
one could argue that at some point it becomes desktop
publishing)...
RM> * MR/2 2.26 * WIN95: Start me up,...you can make a grown man cryyyyy!
RP>Sure -- make him use OS/2 instead!
The choice of champions!  You're aware, of course, that the
new release (late summer or early fall) will be the first
OS to incorporate speech-to-text and voice navigation?!
Maybe this should be required in schools!?      ;-)
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 * MR/2 2.26 * DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...
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