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to: Bjrn Forsstrm
from: Roy Witt
date: 2007-06-15 12:19:58
subject: Freezing

15 Jun 07 10:14, Bj”rn Forsstr”m wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> Well, here's what I did: I took some cola (beer and liquor may be
 RW>> next) and seperated it into a shot glass and left some in the
 RW>> aluminum can. I put both of them into the freezer at the same time
 RW>> and removed them 1/2 hour later.

 RW>> Alum can      - 42 degrees F

 BF> -41C

 RW>> Glass         - 54 degrees F

 BF> -47C

 RW>> Cola in glass - 34 degrees F

 BF> -36.66C

 RW>> Cola in can   - 33 degrees F

 BF> -36.11C

 BF> Why do you have that low temp in your freezer?

I don't. The - is only there to seperate the numbers from the words, if
the freezer was at a negative number, the - would be next to it; -33
degrees F as compared to - 33 degrees F.

 BF> About -4F (-20C) is enough.

I would assume that the temp of the beer/liquor would eventually reach
that, but not after 30 minutes. As it was, the cola was at a refrigerated
temp to begin with and probably had around 10 to 15 degrees to go before
freezing.

 BF> Can this have something to do with that we didn't get the same
 BF> result? To compare our result we should use the same liquid and
 BF> have the same temp in our freezers.

I wanted to eliminate the alcohol from the experiment and use an identical
liquid to find out if there was an affect imparted to the liquid by the
glass and/or aluminum can. There wasn't. So now we know that it's the
alcohol that is affecting the temp difference between the beer and liquor.

 RW>> After 5 minutes out of the freezer, the glass has stayed within a
 RW>> few degrees of when it came out at 56 degrees F, however, the
 RW>> aluminum can has warmed up considerably in that time to 64 degrees.
 RW>> Both were in a 80 degree F room.

 BF> At least this proves that after taking out a can of beer it should be
 BF> poured into a glass in order to stay cool longer.

Yeup. The can will absorb heat faster than the glass will. BTW, make that
a frosted glass, the beer tastes much better than when it's in just a room
temp glass. :o)

 RW>>>> Beer would have far less alcohol than liquor.

 RW>>>> 100 proof liquor would be 50% alcohol, while eurapeon beer is
 RW>>>> probably around 6% alcohol.

 BF>>> 80 proof (40%) compared to 5.8%.

 RW>> Since the rest is mostely water, we can assume that to be the
 RW>> difference 'felt' in temp...

 BF> Maybe.

Agreed.

                R\%/itt


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