CB>Quotes are taken from a message written by Tom to Charles on 06/05/96...
CB>TC>I would very much prefer the schools not teach morality in either
  >TC>direction.  Teaching a child it is OK to be a thief is not my idea of
  >TC>proper education, but then that could be a cultural difference.
CB>The proposition I posted which prompted this response was not really
  >fair nor rational, in retrospect.  I was trying to make the point that
  >the cost of weeding out cheaters in our school lunch program might
  >exceed the cost of allowing the dishonest to cheat.  Neither case
  >(hunting down cheaters or allowing cheaters access to the program) is an
  >attempt by the government to "teach" morals as much as it is an attempt
  >to keep overhead down so the money gets to the hungry.
While I understand the line of thought IMO IF, and that is a big IF, we
would stop allowing the system to be misused by the not so needy.  The
truly hungry could have more funds for food and real basic needs could
be met.  We simply make cheating and receiving handout the expected norm
and the public school systems perpetuate the process to great excess.
CB>TC>CB>Can you explain further?  What do you mean, "This is true," - what 
s
  >TC>>true?  What was "just a provable example of waste?"
  >TC>
  >TC>The free lunch program is a provable example of waste, as is head 
tart,
  >TC>and other title one programs.  Real long term benefit has yet to be
  >TC>proven unless your talking to those making money providing the
  >TC>services.
CB>You say that the free lunch program and Head Start are a waste and that
  >this can be proven?  I'm at a loss for words - this is totally
  >contradictory to everything I have read.  Can you give me a hint as to
  >where you've seen this evidence?
CSPAN primary source during discussions of educational issues and the
actual overall results of head start.  Educational material of course
would give a rosy picture of title one as it is a source of funding and
funding is power.  I also have a friend that makes her living from these
fundings in Michigan and a couple in Arkansas.  All have through
personal knowledge seen the head start "advantage" fade to little or
nothing by the third or fourth grade.
While the free lunch program does feed needy children, I have yet to
have seen any unbiased assessment that it improves the educational
process.  In some cases it perhaps improves attendance which indirectly
would make the educational aspect improve.
  >TC>
  >TC>Let us see now.  The spending of BILLION's to EDUCATE illegal
  >TC>immigrants is has little to do with education.
CB>Sarcasm doesn't win points - evidence does.  My readings have not
  >pointed to "billions" in expenditures to educate illegal immigrants.
  >Once again, if you could point me in the direction of a responsible
  >source where I could verify this statistic?  But more importantly, the
  >issue here isn't whether children should be educated, but what we should
  >do about the illegal immigration problem.  Education is but a small
  >piece of that puzzle.  When I ask myself the question whether I would
  >rather have the children of illegal immigrants starving and living in
  >the alleys of our cities or attending school and getting at least one
  >decent meal every day, I guess I prefer the latter.  But that's just me.
Your right, SARCASM does not win points.  Neither does the poor starving
child BS. :)  Education and Free lunch, Free Medical, Free better life
is what lure the illegal's in.  If you want the dollar statistics write
to the California educational facilities, or Texas, or New Mexico, or
Florida, or probably any state in the US.  The schools are the primary
access point for the freebies and are very much the key to the reduction
of illegal immigrants.  IMO those who want to educate them should moved
to where they come from and set up schools for these poor individuals.
I am one of the America First types.  When every child of US citizenship
is receiving and adequate education, medical care and food.  Then and
only then do we extend these privileges of U.S. citizenship to others.
TC
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