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echo: indian_affairs
to: SONDRA BALL
from: JIM CASTO
date: 1997-03-02 12:44:00
subject: Re: what are we? part 1

 -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Jim Casto <=-
 SB> Most people say they're concentration camps.  Or some sort of prison
 SB> camp which is very like a concentration camp.
 
 In what way would they be considered "concentration camps"? My dictionary
 defines a concentration camp as: "a place of confinement for political foes,
 members of a minority ethnic groups, etc."
 
 So does that mean the Democrats are confining the Republicans or vice versa?
 Are these camps that confine minorities like the camps that confined illegal
 Cuban boat people? Are there gas ovens at these concentration camps?
 
 We have prisons and we have prison camps in Oregon. Some of the prison camps
 are like military "boot camps". One "minority" (in the form of law breakers)
 are confined there. Does that mean these prison camps are "concentration
 camps"?
 SB> They've been talking about starting boot camps for juvenile criminals
 SB> out here.  Maybe we should wait a few years and see if they work in
 SB> the west first.
 
 I guess you would have to define "if they work". There is a sheriff in 
Arizona
 who (apparently with the blessing of the general public) is trying to make 
his
 prisons (and this is probably not a direct quote): "So _miserable_ that NO
 one wants to take the chance of returning for a second incarceration."
 
 IMHO most prisons coddle to the prisoners so, of course, they "don't work".
 Most prisons are merely "rest and recuperation" stops for most of the people
 in the "system". (BTW, I have a family member who is in the "corrections"
 field and my wife has been to a state facilty and the forest prison camp
 more than once.)
 SB> If they ship you to a summer camp progaram in Japan, however, I'm
 SB> moving to Seattle, so I can go to. (g)
 
 Well, it won't be summer camp, but the wife and I are starting the planning 
 for our periodic trips abroad after I retire in fifteen weeks. These trips
 will be of the "stay with a native family" variety. The first will be Japan.
 The second will be Scotland.
 
 Jim
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