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If the user who installs firefox isn't an administrator then how does it =
put an icon in the all users desktop? I'm assuming here that the guy = just
installed firefox and hasn't logged on as a different user before =
deleting the two icons.

Geo.
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:444ab99b{at}w3....
     Again you demonstrate that your personal honesty isn't important to =
you.  Not only have you not used Vista you don't understand what the =
article is describing.  Instead of keeping quiet or acknowledging that =
you don't understand you make up bullshit and post it as your own.

     For anyone reading this that cares about what is going on, the =
previous description is very relevant

    Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd =
like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. =
So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
    Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those =
files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog =
(Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a =
... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?=20


  His annoyance is understandable.  Firefox's installer is poorly =
behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the desktop of existing users =
and the default profile for new users it adds it to the single =
administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an unfriendly = choice
on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  Because individual = users
have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an administrator only = from
all desktops or none.  On Vista, the user doesn't have = administrator
access so the operation fails.  The article shows a = picture of the
clearly worded dialog at =
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.  The =
user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate to =
administrator and continue the operation.

     In the future mike, you might want to try at least to present the =
appearence of honesty by avoiding making statements on topics about = which
you have no experience or knowledge.

  Rich


    "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:lq3l42hccq0251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...

    From the article:

    =3D=3D=3D
    What if you're doing something a bit more complicated? Well, lucky =
you,
    the dialogs stack right up, one after the other, in a seemingly
    never-ending display of stupidity. Indeed, sometimes you'll find
    yourself unable to do certain things for no good reason, and you =
click
    Allow buttons until you're blue in the face. It will never stop
    bothering you, unless you agree to stop your silliness and leave =
that
    file on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my words, this will =
happen to
    you. And you will hate it.
    =3D=3D=3D

     /m


    On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:15:36 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:

    >   I read the article before you felt compelled to quote negative =
excerpts from it and am capable of distinguishing between that and your =
personal bullshit.  Aren't you? =20
    >
    >   Vista does not prompt for elevation multiple times for a single =
task and the article didn't claim it did.  Given that you have never = used
Vista why would you personally make false claims?  Isn't personal = honesty
an issue for you?
    >
    >   I have no doubt you see what you want to see.  If we are to =
judge by the propaganda you post here, it clearly shows that you are =
blind to anything that doesn't take a negative position that you would =
like to agree with.
    >
    >Rich
    >
    >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:eo6k42h77i0u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...
    >  On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:
    >
    >  > Bullshit!  I suspect you haven't used Vista or Vista with=20
    >  > UAP so your comments are plucked from your ass.
    >
    >  Partially correct.  I have not used Vista.  However, the comments =
I
    >  posted were taken from an article written by someone who had been =
using
    >  Vista, someone who has been very pro-Windows.
    >
    >
    >  > OS X prompting is very similarly.  I haven't played with=20
    >  > OS X much but from what I did see it is identical in the=20
    >  > model for when to prompt.
    >
    >  Sorry, Rich, OS-X does prompt once for each Administrative task, =
not
    >  several times throughout the task as the article I quoted =
indicates
    >  about Vista.
    >
    >  In the rush to get Vista out the door eventually, it is looking =
like
    >  many short cuts have been taken and are continuing to be taken;
    >  resulting in, among other things, the annoying behavior of =
endless
    >  prompts cited in the article I quoted. =20
    >
    >  The comments I have been seeing from Windows cheerleaders about =
Vista's
    >  shortcomings and unmet promises are growing in number and volume. =
 If
    >  you don't like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what =
they are
    >  saying and get your employer to fix the problem.  Unfortuantely =
that may
    >  mean even more delays for Vista which so far has had the =
gestation
    >  period of an elephant.  Vista will probably be as bulky with it =
is
    >  finally born.
    >
    >   /m
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If the user who installs firefox isn't =
an=20
administrator then how does it put an icon in the all users desktop? I'm =

assuming here that the guy just installed firefox and hasn't logged on = as a=20
different user before deleting the two icons.
 
Geo.

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:444ab99b{at}w3....
     Again
you demonstrate =
that your=20
  personal honesty isn't important to you.  Not only have you not =
used=20
  Vista you don't understand what the article is describing.  =
Instead of=20
  keeping quiet or acknowledging that you don't understand you make up =
bullshit=20
  and post it as your own.
   
     For
anyone reading this =
that cares=20
  about what is going on, the previous description is very =
relevant
   
  
    Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my =
Desktop I'd like=20
    to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. =
So I=20
    select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple,=20
    right?
    Wrong. Here's what you have to go through =
to actually=20
    delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access =
Denied=20
    dialog (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
"=20
    lid=3D"Figure" fn=3D"vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg">Figure) explaining =
that you=20
    don't, in fact, have permission to delete a ... shortcut?? To an =
application=20
    you just installed??? Seriously?

   
  His annoyance is =
understandable.  Firefox's=20
  installer is poorly behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the =
desktop=20
  of existing users and the default profile for new users it adds it to =
the=20
  single administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an =
unfriendly=20
  choice on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  =
Because=20
  individual users have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an=20
  administrator only from all desktops or none.  On Vista, the =
user=20
  doesn't have administrator access so the operation fails.  The =
article=20
  shows a picture of the clearly worded dialog at http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
">.&" target="new">http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.&=
nbsp;=20
  The user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate =
to=20
  administrator and continue the operation.
   
     In the
future mike, you =
might want=20
  to try at least to present the appearence of honesty by avoiding =
making=20
  statements on topics about which you have no experience or=20
  knowledge.
   
  Rich
   
   
  
    "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote in =
message news:lq3l42hccq0=
251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...From=20
    the article:=3D=3D=3DWhat if you're doing
something a =
bit more=20
    complicated? Well, lucky you,the dialogs stack right up, one =
after the=20
    other, in a seeminglynever-ending display of stupidity. Indeed,=20
    sometimes you'll findyourself unable to do certain things for no =
good=20
    reason, and you clickAllow buttons until you're blue in the =
face. It=20
    will never stopbothering you, unless you agree to stop your =
silliness=20
    and leave thatfile on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my =
words, this=20
    will happen toyou. And you will hate=20
   
it.=3D=3D=3D /mOn
Sat, 22 Apr 2006 =
08:15:36 -0700,=20
    "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>   I read the article =
before=20
    you felt compelled to quote negative excerpts from it and am capable =
of=20
    distinguishing between that and your personal bullshit.  Aren't =

    you?  >>  
Vista does not prompt for =
elevation=20
    multiple times for a single task and the article didn't claim it =
did. =20
    Given that you have never used Vista why would you personally make =
false=20
    claims?  Isn't personal honesty an issue for=20
    you?>>   I have no
doubt you see what you =
want to=20
    see.  If we are to judge by the propaganda you post here, it =
clearly=20
    shows that you are blind to anything that doesn't take a negative =
position=20
    that you would like to agree =
with.>>Rich>> =20
    "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>=20">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>=20
    wrote in message news:eo6k42h77i0=
u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...> =20
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>=20
    wrote:>>  >
Bullshit!  I suspect you =
haven't used=20
    Vista or Vista with >  > UAP so your
comments are =
plucked=20
    from your ass.>>  Partially
correct.  I have =
not=20
    used Vista.  However, the comments
I>  posted were =
taken=20
    from an article written by someone who had been
using>  =
Vista,=20
    someone who has been very
pro-Windows.>>> 
=
> OS=20
    X prompting is very similarly.  I haven't played with =
> =20
    > OS X much but from what I did see it is identical in the =
> =20
    > model for when to
prompt.>>  Sorry, Rich, =
OS-X does=20
    prompt once for each Administrative task,
not>  several =
times=20
    throughout the task as the article I quoted
indicates>  =
about=20
    Vista.>>  In the rush to get
Vista out the door=20
    eventually, it is looking like>  many short cuts have =
been taken=20
    and are continuing to be taken;>  resulting in, among =
other=20
    things, the annoying behavior of endless> 
prompts cited =
in the=20
    article I quoted. 
>>  The comments I have =
been=20
    seeing from Windows cheerleaders about Vista's>  =
shortcomings=20
    and unmet promises are growing in number and volume.  =
If> =20
    you don't like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what they =

    are>  saying and get your employer to fix the =
problem. =20
    Unfortuantely that may>  mean even more
delays for Vista =
which=20
    so far has had the gestation>  period of an =
elephant. =20
    Vista will probably be as bulky with it is>  finally=20
    born.>>   =
/m

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