LOGAN RICH was thinking about Re: Ramblings... and keyed into 
cyberspace:
LR> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Logan Rich <=-03-01-98  21:09
LR> MP> LOGAN RICH was thinking about Re: Help! Ideas Needed. and keyed
LR> MP> into  cyberspace:
LR> LR> JK> Oh yes, stop drugging the school kids for administrative
LR> LR>convenience. 
LR> 
LR> LR> this quote should written backwards on the foreheads of
LR> LR>administrators :) 
LR> MP> How about a little real proof that this is so? Jane could never
LR> MP> provide  it, just some ramblings she re-posts all the time.
Anecdotal evidence is a waste of bandwidth.
However, let's pick this "story" apart.
LR> A reasonable request, although I have to admit that I'm not certain
LR>just   what you might consider "proof". A close friend of mine has
LR>been teaching  "special ed" students for many years in California,
LR>and he has told me of  numerous kids who are "diagnosed" by a school
LR>nurse and referred to a local  physician who routinely prescribes
LR>Ritalin and other such drugs for a wide  variety of symptoms.
A nurse, especially a school nurse, is acting outside of her license if 
she actually done this. If she has, why has your friend not filed a 
complaint with the California State licensing authority? 
If he is afraid to do it, no problem. Have him let me know what school 
it is, and I will file the complaint.
Most of
LR>which relate to their behavior in class and/or  their interactions
LR>with certain teachers. He has personally questioned a  few of the
LR>cases, when he knew the student involved, and was summarily  "shut
LR>down" by the powers that be. It does appear that some school
LR>officials   and parents alike, are all to willing (dare I say eager)
Don't dare say eager, especially when it comes to parents, since I know 
first hand the agony that parents go through in making this decision.
to 
LR>put the child on  drugs to modify their behavior instead of
LR>acknowledging/exploring the root  causes involved.
What are the root causes of ADHD?
As "evidence", I
LR>can tell you that my friend pointed out   that over the years it has
LR>become increasingly common for medication to be  recommended over
LR>counseling or more traditional types of therapy. Speaking  with a
LR>counselor used to be the first thing *anyone* suggested, but now it
LR>seems that Ritalin etc is the first thing that gets mentioned or 
discuss
LR>ed.
Great. Over the past several years, medical science has progressed to 
the point where they now know that counselling for most ADHD kids is 
useless until the kid can get control of their ADHD symptomatology. 
Counselling works to help a kid learn. If the ADHD interferes with 
learning, then get it out of the way with pharmacotherapy.
I'm not saying this is true everywhere or all the time, but it
LR>does seem to  be a trend in public schools at least, and I suspect in
LR>some private ones   as well.
Private schools do not want to be bothered with ADHD kids.
LR> MP> The Few. The Proud. The Chosen.
LR> BTW - Having noticed this quote on a number of your posts, I'm
LR>curious    what it means to you. I have pondered it a bit, but would
LR>   like to know how you see it.
There is a Jewish fellow named Walsh in a town in Alabama who objected 
to his kids being subjected to public school sponsored prayer and is 
being castigated by his "neighbors". He sued in the USDC in Alabama and 
received a PI banning over the PA system prayers, and the required 
theology classes taught by local ministers.
When his picture appearing in the newspaper, he was wearing a ball cap 
with "The Few. The Proud. The Chosen." I adopted it as a sign of support 
for him in resisting the Alabama Christian Inquisition. 
               The Few. The Proud. The Chosen.
                     markprobe@aol.com
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