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   Again you demonstrate that your personal honesty isn't important to =
you.  Not only have you not used Vista you don't understand what the =
article is describing.  Instead of keeping quiet or acknowledging that =
you don't understand you make up bullshit and post it as your own.

   For anyone reading this that cares about what is going on, the =
previous description is very relevant

  Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd like =
to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. So I =
select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
  Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those =
files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog =
(Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a =
... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?=20


His annoyance is understandable.  Firefox's installer is poorly behaved. =
 Instead of adding a shortcut to the desktop of existing users and the =
default profile for new users it adds it to the single administrator =
restricted all users profile.  This is an unfriendly choice on Windows = XP
and earlier releases too.  Why?  Because individual users have no = choice.
 The icon must be removed by an administrator only from all = desktops or
none.  On Vista, the user doesn't have administrator access = so the
operation fails.  The article shows a picture of the clearly = worded
dialog at =
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.  The =
user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate to =
administrator and continue the operation.

   In the future mike, you might want to try at least to present the =
appearence of honesty by avoiding making statements on topics about = which
you have no experience or knowledge.

Rich


  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:lq3l42hccq0251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...

  From the article:

  =3D=3D=3D
  What if you're doing something a bit more complicated? Well, lucky =
you,
  the dialogs stack right up, one after the other, in a seemingly
  never-ending display of stupidity. Indeed, sometimes you'll find
  yourself unable to do certain things for no good reason, and you click
  Allow buttons until you're blue in the face. It will never stop
  bothering you, unless you agree to stop your silliness and leave that
  file on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my words, this will happen =
to
  you. And you will hate it.
  =3D=3D=3D

   /m


  On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:15:36 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:

  >   I read the article before you felt compelled to quote negative =
excerpts from it and am capable of distinguishing between that and your =
personal bullshit.  Aren't you? =20
  >
  >   Vista does not prompt for elevation multiple times for a single =
task and the article didn't claim it did.  Given that you have never = used
Vista why would you personally make false claims?  Isn't personal = honesty
an issue for you?
  >
  >   I have no doubt you see what you want to see.  If we are to judge =
by the propaganda you post here, it clearly shows that you are blind to =
anything that doesn't take a negative position that you would like to =
agree with.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:eo6k42h77i0u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...
  >  On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:
  >
  >  > Bullshit!  I suspect you haven't used Vista or Vista with=20
  >  > UAP so your comments are plucked from your ass.
  >
  >  Partially correct.  I have not used Vista.  However, the comments I
  >  posted were taken from an article written by someone who had been =
using
  >  Vista, someone who has been very pro-Windows.
  >
  >
  >  > OS X prompting is very similarly.  I haven't played with=20
  >  > OS X much but from what I did see it is identical in the=20
  >  > model for when to prompt.
  >
  >  Sorry, Rich, OS-X does prompt once for each Administrative task, =
not
  >  several times throughout the task as the article I quoted indicates
  >  about Vista.
  >
  >  In the rush to get Vista out the door eventually, it is looking =
like
  >  many short cuts have been taken and are continuing to be taken;
  >  resulting in, among other things, the annoying behavior of endless
  >  prompts cited in the article I quoted. =20
  >
  >  The comments I have been seeing from Windows cheerleaders about =
Vista's
  >  shortcomings and unmet promises are growing in number and volume.  =
If
  >  you don't like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what =
they are
  >  saying and get your employer to fix the problem.  Unfortuantely =
that may
  >  mean even more delays for Vista which so far has had the gestation
  >  period of an elephant.  Vista will probably be as bulky with it is
  >  finally born.
  >
  >   /m
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   Again you
demonstrate that =
your=20
personal honesty isn't important to you.  Not only have you not =
used Vista=20
you don't understand what the article is describing.  Instead of =
keeping=20
quiet or acknowledging that you don't understand you make up bullshit = and post=20
it as your own.
 
   For
anyone reading this =
that cares=20
about what is going on, the previous description is very =
relevant
 

  Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop =
I'd like=20
  to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. So =
I select=20
  both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, =
right?
  Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to =
actually=20
  delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access =
Denied=20
  dialog (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
"=20
  fn=3D"vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg" lid=3D"Figure">Figure) explaining =
that you=20
  don't, in fact, have permission to delete a ... shortcut?? To an =
application=20
  you just installed??? Seriously?

 
His annoyance is
understandable.  =
Firefox's=20
installer is poorly behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the
= desktop=20
of existing users and the default profile for new users it adds it to = the single=20
administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an unfriendly
= choice=20
on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  Because =
individual=20
users have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an administrator =

only from all desktops or none.  On Vista, the user
doesn't = have=20
administrator access so the operation fails.  The article shows a
= picture=20
of the clearly worded dialog at http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
">.&" target="new">http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.&=
nbsp;=20
The user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate = to=20
administrator and continue the operation.
 
   In the
future mike, you =
might want to=20
try at least to present the appearence of honesty by avoiding making = statements=20
on topics about which you have no experience or knowledge.
 
Rich
 
 

  "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>=20">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>=20
  wrote in message news:lq3l42hccq0=
251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...From=20
  the article:=3D=3D=3DWhat if you're doing
something a bit =
more=20
  complicated? Well, lucky you,the dialogs stack right up, one after =
the=20
  other, in a seeminglynever-ending display of stupidity. Indeed, =
sometimes=20
  you'll findyourself unable to do certain things for no good =
reason, and=20
  you clickAllow buttons until you're blue in the face. It will =
never=20
  stopbothering you, unless you agree to stop your silliness and =
leave=20
  thatfile on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my words, this will =
happen=20
  toyou. And you will hate =
it.=3D=3D=3D /mOn
Sat, 22=20
  Apr 2006 08:15:36 -0700, "Rich" <{at}> =
wrote:>   I=20
  read the article before you felt compelled to quote negative excerpts =
from it=20
  and am capable of distinguishing between that and your personal=20
  bullshit.  Aren't you? 
>>   Vista =
does not=20
  prompt for elevation multiple times for a single task and the article =
didn't=20
  claim it did.  Given that you have never used Vista why would you =

  personally make false claims?  Isn't personal honesty an issue =
for=20
  you?>>   I have no
doubt you see what you want =
to=20
  see.  If we are to judge by the propaganda you post here, it =
clearly=20
  shows that you are blind to anything that doesn't take a negative =
position=20
  that you would like to agree =
with.>>Rich>> =20
  "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote=20
  in message news:eo6k42h77i0=
u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...> =20
  On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>=20
  wrote:>>  >
Bullshit!  I suspect you =
haven't used=20
  Vista or Vista with >  > UAP so your
comments are =
plucked from=20
  your ass.>>  Partially
correct.  I have not =
used=20
  Vista.  However, the comments I> 
posted were taken =
from an=20
  article written by someone who had been using>  Vista, =
someone who=20
  has been very
pro-Windows.>>> 
> OS X =
prompting=20
  is very similarly.  I haven't played with
>  > OS =
X much=20
  but from what I did see it is identical in the
>  > =
model for=20
  when to prompt.>>  Sorry,
Rich, OS-X does prompt =
once for=20
  each Administrative task, not>  several times
throughout =
the task=20
  as the article I quoted indicates>  about=20
  Vista.>>  In the rush to get
Vista out the door =
eventually,=20
  it is looking like>  many short cuts have been
taken and =
are=20
  continuing to be taken;>  resulting in, among other =
things, the=20
  annoying behavior of endless>  prompts cited in the =
article I=20
  quoted.  >>  The
comments I have been seeing =
from=20
  Windows cheerleaders about Vista's>  shortcomings and =
unmet=20
  promises are growing in number and volume. 
If>  you =
don't=20
  like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what they =
are> =20
  saying and get your employer to fix the problem.  Unfortuantely =
that=20
  may>  mean even more delays for Vista which so
far has had =
the=20
  gestation>  period of an elephant.  Vista will =
probably be as=20
  bulky with it is>  finally =
born.>>  =20
/m

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