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   Firefox, for placing an icon on the desktop they did not want.  Other =
apps similarly scatter their icons around the system without asking and =
requiring me to remove them afterwards.  real player, quicktime, pretty =
much anything from aol, even acrobat reader are examples that come to =
mind.

   Beyond that I don't think average users will give it much thought.  =
Two clicks to fix a mistake by the firefox installer will be forgotten =
along with the many clicks in the firefox install wizard.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:444abeba$1{at}w3....
  Just a question. In your scenario do you think the average user will =
blame Firefox or curse at the hoops that Vista makes them go through?


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:444ab99b{at}w3....

       For anyone reading this that cares about what is going on, the =
previous description is very relevant

      Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd =
like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. =
So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
      Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those =
files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog =
(Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a =
... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?=20


    His annoyance is understandable.  Firefox's installer is poorly =
behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the desktop of existing users =
and the default profile for new users it adds it to the single =
administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an unfriendly = choice
on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  Because individual = users
have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an administrator only = from
all desktops or none. =20

    Rich
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   Firefox,
for placing an =
icon on the=20
desktop they did not want.  Other apps similarly scatter their =
icons around=20
the system without asking and requiring me to remove them =
afterwards.  real=20
player, quicktime, pretty much anything from aol, even acrobat reader = are=20
examples that come to mind.
 
   Beyond
that I don't think =
average=20
users will give it much thought.  Two clicks to fix a mistake by = the=20
firefox installer will be forgotten along with the many clicks in the = firefox=20
install wizard.
 
Rich
 

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:444abeba$1{at}w3....
  Just a question. In your scenario do =
you think=20
  the average user will blame Firefox or curse at the hoops that Vista =
makes=20
  them go through?
   
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:444ab99b{at}w3....
     
       For
anyone reading =
this that cares=20
    about what is going on, the previous description is very=20
    relevant
     
    
      Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my =
Desktop I'd=20
      like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to =
Firefox. So=20
      I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple,=20
      right?
      Wrong. Here's what you have to
go through =
to=20
      actually delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a =
File Access=20
      Denied dialog (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
"=20
      fn=3D"vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg" lid=3D"Figure">Figure) =
explaining that you=20
      don't, in fact, have permission to delete a ... shortcut?? To an=20
      application you just installed??? Seriously? =

     
    His annoyance is =
understandable. =20
    Firefox's installer is poorly behaved.  Instead of adding a =
shortcut to=20
    the desktop of existing users and the default profile for new users =
it adds=20
    it to the single administrator restricted all users profile.  =
This is=20
    an unfriendly choice on Windows XP and earlier releases too. =20
    Why?  Because individual users have no choice.  The icon =
must be=20
    removed by an administrator only from all desktops or =
none. =20
    
     
    Rich

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