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   Accept responsibility for your own words and stop lying.

   If you wish to see how clearly worded the dialog is look at it.  I =
included the link and so have you yet you would fail to or pretend to =
fail to look and instead lie about it.

Rich

  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:67um42ddv89viigs3am7abtht4oj6p4bvf{at}4ax.com...

  >Instead of keeping quiet or acknowledging that you don't=20
  > understand you make up bullshit and post it as your own.

  > In the future mike, you might want to try at least to=20
  > present the appearence of honesty by avoiding making=20
  > statements on topics about which you have no experience
  > or knowledge.



  When I say, "From the article" it means that I am quoting from the
  article.


  btw, you comment:

  >On Vista, the user doesn't have administrator access so the operation =
fails.  The article shows a picture of the clearly worded dialog at =
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.  The =
user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate to =
administrator and continue the operation.


  I notice you left out one of the the other "clearly worded" dialogs:

  http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_01.jpg
  From the article, "Here, you need to give your permission to continue
  something opaquely called a 'File Operation.'"

  (note to Rich, the preceeding was taken from the article, I am not
  making this up))

  My opinion is that he was being kind.  Permission is needed to use a
  *program* called "File Operation"?  What is the executable for that
  program called?  File Operation?





  Here's another comment from the article:
  (note to Rich, I am quoting the article, I am not making this up.)

  =3D=3D=3D
  One of the most highly-touted features of Windows Vista is glass
  windows, a part of the Windows Aero user interface. It sounds like a
  great idea, and heck, let's give Microsoft a bit of credit for the
  ingenuity of taking the windows metaphor to its logical conclusion.
  Maybe Apple can add stained glass windows to the next version of Mac =
OS
  X in response.

  Anyway, the reality of glass windows is that they stink. The windows
  themselves are translucent, meaning you can see through them =
partially.
  But the visual difference between the topmost window (that is, the
  window with which you are currently interacting, or what we might
  describe as the window with focus) and any other windows (i.e. those
  windows that are visually located "under" the topmost window) is =
subtle
  at best. More to the point, you can't tell topmost windows from other
  windows at all. And don't pretend you can.

  Let's look at an example. Here are two windows in Windows Vista, =
viewed
  side-by-side. Quick: Which one is the top-most window? You have a 50
  percent chance of getting it right, so don't pat yourself on the back =
if
  you chose the right one quite yet. The truth is, neither one is
  particularly differentiated from the other....

  Glass windows sound like a great idea, until you actually use them.
  Surely Microsoft can do better than this....
  =3D=3D=3D


  Yup, surely Microsoft *could* do better.  They, after all, hire the =
best
  and the brightest.  The question is why don't they do better than =
this?

  (note to Rich, the preceeding paragraph was my comment, and not from =
the
  article.)

    /m




  On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:17:14 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:

  >   Again you demonstrate that your personal honesty isn't important =
to you.  Not only have you not used Vista you don't understand what the =
article is describing.  Instead of keeping quiet or acknowledging that =
you don't understand you make up bullshit and post it as your own.
  >
  >   For anyone reading this that cares about what is going on, the =
previous description is very relevant
  >
  >  Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd =
like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. =
So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
  >  Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those =
files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog =
(Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a =
... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?=20
  >
  >
  >His annoyance is understandable.  Firefox's installer is poorly =
behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the desktop of existing users =
and the default profile for new users it adds it to the single =
administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an unfriendly = choice
on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  Because individual = users
have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an administrator only = from
all desktops or none.  On Vista, the user doesn't have = administrator
access so the operation fails.  The article shows a = picture of the
clearly worded dialog at =
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.  The =
user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate to =
administrator and continue the operation.
  >
  >   In the future mike, you might want to try at least to present the =
appearence of honesty by avoiding making statements on topics about = which
you have no experience or knowledge.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >
  >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:lq3l42hccq0251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...
  >
  >  From the article:
  >
  >  =3D=3D=3D
  >  What if you're doing something a bit more complicated? Well, lucky =
you,
  >  the dialogs stack right up, one after the other, in a seemingly
  >  never-ending display of stupidity. Indeed, sometimes you'll find
  >  yourself unable to do certain things for no good reason, and you =
click
  >  Allow buttons until you're blue in the face. It will never stop
  >  bothering you, unless you agree to stop your silliness and leave =
that
  >  file on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my words, this will =
happen to
  >  you. And you will hate it.
  >  =3D=3D=3D
  >
  >   /m
  >
  >
  >  On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:15:36 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:
  >
  >  >   I read the article before you felt compelled to quote negative =
excerpts from it and am capable of distinguishing between that and your =
personal bullshit.  Aren't you? =20
  >  >
  >  >   Vista does not prompt for elevation multiple times for a single =
task and the article didn't claim it did.  Given that you have never = used
Vista why would you personally make false claims?  Isn't personal = honesty
an issue for you?
  >  >
  >  >   I have no doubt you see what you want to see.  If we are to =
judge by the propaganda you post here, it clearly shows that you are =
blind to anything that doesn't take a negative position that you would =
like to agree with.
  >  >
  >  >Rich
  >  >
  >  >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:eo6k42h77i0u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...
  >  >  On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:
  >  >
  >  >  > Bullshit!  I suspect you haven't used Vista or Vista with=20
  >  >  > UAP so your comments are plucked from your ass.
  >  >
  >  >  Partially correct.  I have not used Vista.  However, the =
comments I
  >  >  posted were taken from an article written by someone who had =
been using
  >  >  Vista, someone who has been very pro-Windows.
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  > OS X prompting is very similarly.  I haven't played with=20
  >  >  > OS X much but from what I did see it is identical in the=20
  >  >  > model for when to prompt.
  >  >
  >  >  Sorry, Rich, OS-X does prompt once for each Administrative task, =
not
  >  >  several times throughout the task as the article I quoted =
indicates
  >  >  about Vista.
  >  >
  >  >  In the rush to get Vista out the door eventually, it is looking =
like
  >  >  many short cuts have been taken and are continuing to be taken;
  >  >  resulting in, among other things, the annoying behavior of =
endless
  >  >  prompts cited in the article I quoted. =20
  >  >
  >  >  The comments I have been seeing from Windows cheerleaders about =
Vista's
  >  >  shortcomings and unmet promises are growing in number and =
volume.  If
  >  >  you don't like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what =
they are
  >  >  saying and get your employer to fix the problem.  Unfortuantely =
that may
  >  >  mean even more delays for Vista which so far has had the =
gestation
  >  >  period of an elephant.  Vista will probably be as bulky with it =
is
  >  >  finally born.
  >  >
  >  >   /m
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   Accept
responsibility for =
your own=20
words and stop lying.
 
   If you
wish to see how =
clearly worded=20
the dialog is look at it.  I included the link and so have you yet = you=20
would fail to or pretend to fail to look and instead lie about =
it.
 
Rich
 

  "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>=20">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>=20
  wrote in message news:67um42ddv89=
viigs3am7abtht4oj6p4bvf{at}4ax.com...>Instead=20
  of keeping quiet or acknowledging that you don't > understand =
you make=20
  up bullshit and post it as your own.> In the
future mike, =
you might=20
  want to try at least to > present the appearence of honesty by =
avoiding=20
  making > statements on topics about which you have no=20
  experience> or
knowledge.When I say, "From
the =
article"=20
  it means that I am quoting from
thearticle.btw, you=20
  comment:>On Vista, the user doesn't have administrator =
access so=20
  the operation fails.  The article shows a picture of the clearly =
worded=20
  dialog at http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
">.&" target="new">http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.&=
nbsp;=20
  The user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate =
to=20
  administrator and continue the operation.I
notice you left =
out one=20
  of the the other "clearly worded" dialogs:http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_01.jpg=
">http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_01.jpg=
R>From=20
  the article, "Here, you need to give your permission to =
continuesomething=20
  opaquely called a 'File Operation.'"(note to Rich, the =
preceeding was=20
  taken from the article, I am notmaking this
up))My opinion =
is that=20
  he was being kind.  Permission is needed to use a*program* =
called=20
  "File Operation"?  What is the executable for
thatprogram=20
  called?  File
Operation?Here's
another =
comment=20
  from the article:(note to Rich, I am quoting the article, I am not =
making=20
  this up.)=3D=3D=3DOne of the most
highly-touted features =
of Windows=20
  Vista is glasswindows, a part of the Windows Aero user interface. =
It=20
  sounds like agreat idea, and heck, let's give Microsoft a bit of =
credit=20
  for theingenuity of taking the windows metaphor to its logical=20
  conclusion.Maybe Apple can add stained glass windows to the next =
version=20
  of Mac OSX in response.Anyway, the reality of glass =
windows is=20
  that they stink. The windowsthemselves are translucent, meaning =
you can=20
  see through them partially.But the visual difference between the =
topmost=20
  window (that is, thewindow with which you are currently =
interacting, or=20
  what we mightdescribe as the window with focus) and any other =
windows=20
  (i.e. thosewindows that are visually located "under"
the topmost =
window)=20
  is subtleat best. More to the point, you can't tell topmost =
windows from=20
  otherwindows at all. And don't pretend you
can.Let's look =
at an=20
  example. Here are two windows in Windows Vista, =
viewedside-by-side. Quick:=20
  Which one is the top-most window? You have a 50percent chance of =
getting=20
  it right, so don't pat yourself on the back ifyou chose the right =
one=20
  quite yet. The truth is, neither one isparticularly differentiated =
from=20
  the other....Glass windows sound like a great idea, until you =
actually=20
  use them.Surely Microsoft can do better than=20
  this....=3D=3D=3DYup, surely
Microsoft *could* do =
better. =20
  They, after all, hire the bestand the brightest.  The =
question is why=20
  don't they do better than this?(note to Rich, the preceeding =
paragraph=20
  was my comment, and not from
thearticle.) =20
  /mOn Sat, 22 Apr 2006
16:17:14 -0700, "Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote:>   Again you
demonstrate that your =
personal=20
  honesty isn't important to you.  Not only have you not used Vista =
you=20
  don't understand what the article is describing.  Instead of =
keeping=20
  quiet or acknowledging that you don't understand you make up bullshit =
and post=20
  it as your own.>>  
For anyone reading this =
that cares=20
  about what is going on, the previous description is very=20
  relevant>>  Once Firefox is
installed, there are =
two icons=20
  on my Desktop I'd like to remove: The Setup application itself and a =
shortcut=20
  to Firefox. So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. =
Simple,=20
  right?>  Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to =
actually=20
  delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access =
Denied=20
  dialog (Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to =
delete=20
  a ... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?=20
  >>>His annoyance is
understandable.  =
Firefox's=20
  installer is poorly behaved.  Instead of adding a shortcut to the =
desktop=20
  of existing users and the default profile for new users it adds it to =
the=20
  single administrator restricted all users profile.  This is an =
unfriendly=20
  choice on Windows XP and earlier releases too.  Why?  =
Because=20
  individual users have no choice.  The icon must be removed by an=20
  administrator only from all desktops or none.  On Vista, the user =
doesn't=20
  have administrator access so the operation fails.  The article =
shows a=20
  picture of the clearly worded dialog at http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg=
">.&" target="new">http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_5342_rev5_00.jpg.&=
nbsp;=20
  The user has a choice how to proceed.  One of which is to elevate =
to=20
  administrator and continue the
operation.>>   =
In the=20
  future mike, you might want to try at least to present the appearence =
of=20
  honesty by avoiding making statements on topics about which you have =
no=20
  experience or =
knowledge.>>Rich>>> =20
  "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote=20
  in message news:lq3l42hccq0=
251d92p74gstoovk3sospcn{at}4ax.com...>> =20
  From the article:>> 
=3D=3D=3D>  What =
if you're doing=20
  something a bit more complicated? Well, lucky
you,>  the =
dialogs=20
  stack right up, one after the other, in a seemingly>  =
never-ending=20
  display of stupidity. Indeed, sometimes you'll find>  =
yourself=20
  unable to do certain things for no good reason, and you =
click> =20
  Allow buttons until you're blue in the face. It will never =
stop> =20
  bothering you, unless you agree to stop your silliness and leave=20
  that>  file on the desktop where it belongs. Mark my =
words, this=20
  will happen to>  you. And you will hate
it.> =20
  =3D=3D=3D>>  
/m>>>  =
On Sat, 22=20
  Apr 2006 08:15:36 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>>  =

  >   I read the article before you felt compelled
to quote =

  negative excerpts from it and am capable of distinguishing between =
that and=20
  your personal bullshit.  Aren't you? 
> =20
  >>  >   Vista
does not prompt for =
elevation=20
  multiple times for a single task and the article didn't claim it =
did. =20
  Given that you have never used Vista why would you personally make =
false=20
  claims?  Isn't personal honesty an issue for
you?> =20
  >>  >   I have
no doubt you see what you =
want to=20
  see.  If we are to judge by the propaganda you post here, it =
clearly=20
  shows that you are blind to anything that doesn't take a negative =
position=20
  that you would like to agree with.> 
>> =20
  >Rich> 
>>  >  "Mike
'/m'" =
<mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote in =
message news:eo6k42h77i0=
u1eq3mf192tgi0k3im39ib6{at}4ax.com...> =20
  >  On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0700, "Rich"
<{at}>=20
  wrote:>  >> 
>  > =
Bullshit!  I=20
  suspect you haven't used Vista or Vista with > 
>  =
>=20
  UAP so your comments are plucked from your ass.> =20
  >>  >  Partially
correct.  I have not used =

  Vista.  However, the comments I> 
>  posted =
were=20
  taken from an article written by someone who had been =
using> =20
  >  Vista, someone who has been very
pro-Windows.>  =

  >>  >> 
>  > OS X prompting =
is very=20
  similarly.  I haven't played with > 
>  > =
OS X=20
  much but from what I did see it is identical in the >  =
> =20
  > model for when to prompt.> 
>>  =
> =20
  Sorry, Rich, OS-X does prompt once for each Administrative task,=20
  not>  >  several times
throughout the task as the =
article=20
  I quoted indicates>  >  about
Vista.>  =

  >>  >  In the rush to
get Vista out the door=20
  eventually, it is looking like> 
>  many short =
cuts have=20
  been taken and are continuing to be taken;> 
>  =
resulting=20
  in, among other things, the annoying behavior of
endless>  =

  >  prompts cited in the article I quoted. 
>  =

  >>  >  The comments I
have been seeing from =
Windows=20
  cheerleaders about Vista's>  > 
shortcomings and =
unmet=20
  promises are growing in number and volume. 
If>  =
> =20
  you don't like that, then you perhaps you should listen to what they=20
  are>  >  saying and get your
employer to fix the=20
  problem.  Unfortuantely that may> 
>  mean =
even more=20
  delays for Vista which so far has had the gestation>  =
> =20
  period of an elephant.  Vista will probably be as bulky with it=20
  is>  >  finally
born.>  =
>> =20
  >   /m

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