Hi, Robert Bashe!
I read your message from 16.08.2017 13:31

  ak>>>> Russia didn't participate in the afterWW1 pie division. Russia
  ak>>>> itself was chunked by Poland as if Russia was a German ally.

  RB> Russia wasn't Russia after WWI. Lenin gave up large swaths of
  RB> territorty to the Germans at Tannenberg. That was Lenin's method to
  RB> end the war and keep his own people quiet.

The USSR appeared only in 1923. Lenin had no choice when singing the 
peace treaty - the army almost stopped to exit and would not be able to 
resist either Germany or Poland. But it never didn't  mean that anyone 
can capture territory from the country which in trouble. ;)

  RB> By that time, the Tsar
  RB> was no longer in power. And Lennin could concentrate on elimiating
  RB> his own opposition in Russia with the help of people like Trotsky -
  RB> later murdered by Stalin. Thanks, incidentally, to Germany, which
  RB> was stupid enough to allow him to pass from Switzerland through
  RB> Germany without being shot. If he had been eliminated during that
  RB> passage, world history would have been changed. No Lenin, no
  RB> Stalin. Possibly no Hitler.

Hitler in Germany was inevitable -- such people always appear when a 
strong nation is greatly humiliated, as was Germany after WW1. The USSR 
and the Soviet ideology was the only chance to stop the Nazi Germany. 
Western impotent nations were worthless in WW2. They entered the war 
when  Germany was actually defeated by the USSR.

  RB>>> I suppose that's why there was a secret addendum to the Molotov-
  RB>>> Ribbentrop treaty allowing Germany and Russia to split up Poland
  RB>>> between themselves.
  ak>> It depends from point of view. IMO Poland was captured by Hitler,
  ak>> but the USSR returned its own territories.

  RB> Like the Crimea. Except that there was no subtrefuge.

There was a good subterfuge -- the Russian people referendum and the way 
Crimea appeared in Ukraine. The Crimeans started all this mess 
themselves after the coup in Kiev. Putin had no choice. Crimea suddenly 
fell on his head itself. It is BTW the reason why any future Russian 
president will not be able to return Crimea back by himself.

  RB>>> That's probably why Stalin was so supprised when Hitler attacked
  RB>>> Russia - he thought both Russia and Germany had arranged quite a
  RB>>> nice deal for themselves. But only Russia got to keep it's share.


  RB> The result was, as we know, the destruction of the so-called "Third
  RB> Reich". Which, incidentally, Ivan the Terrible ("Ivan Gruzny")
  RB> termed Russia during his reign ("Rome was the first reich,
  RB> Constatinopel the second, and Moscow the third reich").

Not correct -- Ivan the Terrible called Russia "The third Rome". The 
first is Rome, the Second was Constantinople before the Osman captured 
it. He meant a cultural Orthodox heritage -- after falling 
Constantinople Russia became the largest Orthodox country, the Christian 
capital.


Bye, Robert!
Alexander Koryagin
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