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to: Michiel Van Der Vlist
from: Shannon Talley
date: 2006-09-25 14:06:40
subject: Re: Age old debating rick...

Michiel,

You are a tired and bitter man with huge anger issues.  I'll just leave the 
message as it is below so everyone can read how angry and bitter you really 
are.

I even had the thoughtfulness to invite you to my home, and that invitation 
still stands.  I believe you'd have a wonderful time touring the scenic area 
and visiting some of our wonderful historical places and museums.

However,

> Thanks, but no thanks. You know very well that I do not accept invitations 
> to
> come to the US.

It's really sad that your anger and bitterness will keep you from coming 
here.

I don't remember you showing me around Amsterdam Michiel.... Am I mistaken 
or were you there with me?  Oh --- no, of course you weren't.  So, why do 
you "ASSUME" (ohhh there you go again -- assuming.....) I took a
"tour"? 
I've taken 3 tours during my entire life (across the pond) Michiel, and 
Amsterdam wasn't one of them.  I spent 8 days traveling around your country 
with my girlfriend who flew in for the occasion.  I thought it would be 
enjoyable, but sadly, it really wasn't.  I'd be willing to try it again one 
day after I retire.  Would you be willing to show me around or would you pay 
someone to try and slit my throat while I sleep?

Shannon

> 24 Sep 06 19:05, you wrote to me:
> ST> Hello Michiel,
> >> Shannon, there *is* no such thing as a "licensed
counselor" here.
> ST> A play on your language.  Licensed by other words over there still
> ST> translates to a license over here.
> Whatever it translates in does not exist here. There is no officially
> recognised equivalent here of what you call a "licensed counseler".
> ST> However, if I am mistaken (I do admit that I don't live over there and
> ST> aren't that familiar with your legal network and quals
> So much is obvious. Just as that you do not know much about our medical 
> system
> either. Over here only a qualified MD with a supplementary quaLification 
> in
> psychiatry is qualified to diagnose a mental health problem. Period.
> Only institutions with authority vested in them by the state may issue 
> those
> qualifications. That means any medical qualifications from abroad are null 
> and
> void. Simple.
> ST> then I am most certainly over qualified to provide assistance to you.
> See above. Your qualifications mean nothing here.
> ST> However, the catholic church training program provides them a license
> ST> that is legal and respected to their organization regardless of the
> ST> country they work in.
> See above. Licenses issued on behalf of the church are null and void here.
> ST> Have you called a clergy yet to see what kind of qualifications they
> ST> have?
> Trick #35. Send the opponent on an errand.
> Give it up man, nobody is buying your "you have a mental problem
get help"
> ploy. Everone can see that you are just trying to discredit me. It won't 
> work,
> give it up.
> >> IOW, you can't back it up. Thought so. If you did the trouble to
> >> research the figures you would find that drug addiction per capita
> >> is higher in the USA than in The Netherlands. Sex industry? Yaeh
> >> right, The USA is the largest producer of porn movies in the world.
> ST> I've been to your country Michiel,
> Yeah an x day tour including a ride through the canals of Amsterdam. You 
> think
> you are the expert on my country now?
> ST> and I believe that your country fudges the figures provide the world a
> ST> different impression
> Beliefs do not make facts. Back it up or shut up.
> As for sex industry, of course there is protitution here. There is 
> prostitution
> *everywhere*. But to see it in Amsterdam you have to go looking for it. 
> You
> have to go to these special places that you do not normally run into. So 
> if you
> saw "sex industry", I wonder what you were doing in these
places in the 
> first
> place. A bit counseling? ;-)
> ST> Let me remind you that you have 'not' been over here....
> I do not have to have been there to know that whatever qualifications you 
> claim
> to have are null and void here.
> ST> You are MORE than welcome to come for a visit!  I have a very nice
> ST> spare bedroom with which you are welcome to use as you visit the
> ST> Hampton Roads area.
> Thanks, but no thanks. You know very well that I do not accept invitations 
> to
> come to the US.
> ST> However, Bjorn's "agenda" is also very clear, and you
can read more
> ST> about his agenda by going to www.fidotel.com/fidonews
> That diatribe tells us more about *your* agenda than Bj"rn's.
> Michiel

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