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to: ANGELA PATTEN
from: KARIN BREWER
date: 1997-03-16 14:54:00
subject: lipizzans 2

     The following was the introductory message posted with the compilation 
of Dolenc's book (some of this will overlap the previous message):
     After much digging through 'Lipizzaner' by Dolenc:  Not only does it 
seem hopeless to look at the time frame before 1945, it's just as hopelessly 
muddled after. I did get the traditional stallion and mare lines, but rather 
get the impression that each country (possibly even breeder) uses their own 
names for the mares. If Podhajski's book can shed some light on what the 
mares were called in Austria after 1945, that would be of interest. (Merely 
academic, though.)  Also, who sets breed standards?
     There's been entirely too many Lipizzaners scattered all over Europe to 
effectively make any guess as to what Lipica might have been able to acquire 
for restocking after WWII. The book lists the few mares and stallions that 
came from the herd that got rescued by Patton, and names of (all?, or some?) 
Lipizzaners they were able to procure from other locations in Yugoslavia, up 
to about 1958 (which, however, is the time they ran into financial 
difficulties and had to sell 'all but one of the trained stallions.' [I 
rather think, also some mares.  More on that later.]  They had, however, by 
the time of the book established a new mare line. (Hence my question as to 
who sets breed standards. Would the Rebecca line be recognized by Austria, 
Italy, Hungary, etc.) Per Dolenc, both Austria and Italy ended up with 14 
mare lines after WWII, but he says that there were 16 at Lipica as of 1981. 
(It wouldn't surprise me too much if they had gone and established a few more 
since 1981. It would also not surprise me too much if the other countries 
didn't accept the new Lipica lines - in which case Lipica, or at least 
Yugoslavia, may well have been the only place they existed, and with the war 
there, those new lines could truly be lost forever.)
     Various and sundry people had, in past centuries, acquired stallions for 
improving local stock, and some even obtained mares and started to breed 
Lipizzaners. While the book doesn't specify, it's probably safe to assume 
that most of those stallions and mares were culls from the Lipica breeding 
program. (The exceptions, possibly?  Emperor Charles VI supposedly had the 
habit of letting some people pick their own Lipizzaner, as a royal favor - 
and those horses may well have been top quality.)
     Anyways, stallion and mare lines, and assorted other information to 
follow in the next several messages.
                                      Karin
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