From: /m 

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:31:43 -0400, "Geo"  wrote:

>Ok, so basically I have to gain access to your computer before you consider
>it an unpatched OS exploit, if it just lets me DOS or Crash it repeatedly
>then your machine is secure?
>
>Is this your view of how security for wireless networks works?

Nope, that's what you're trying to say is my view.


>
>I do understand the distinction you are making, but wireless is so fragile I
>don't agree with that view. It's like if MS had never patched winnuke and
>anyone could just bluescreen you whenever they wanted.

I make the distinction between wireless and the OS.  You imply that because
I have mentioned my wireless security, that I have neglected my OS
security.   You should know better.


>And even the wireless devices are being exploited,

Yup.  The driver exploit that is currently making the rounds is one of
those (and yet another reason why OpenBSD's approach is better than most
other approaches).  However, that would affect me regardless of WEP, WPA/2,
or whatever.   That exploit is way below the layers I am talking
about.

However, eventually, that exploit will be patched.  I hope.  :)


> there are hacks out for pretty much every
>wireless hub. When was the last time you flashed yours?

A couple of months ago.  I try to keep up to date with that.  I've got the
latest firmware installed.


  /m


>
>"/m"  wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:31:47 -0400, "Geo"
 wrote:
>>
>> >"/m"  wrote in message
>> >news:nfgid2psqnh4hligoa6tgnlj115qs6g9o1{at}4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> Do you say that with a specific knowledge of the relative
security of
>> >> WEP compared to WPA/2, or do you say that with the
concept of "it's
>> >> wireless, therefore it is insecure"?
>> >
>> >Define "secure". I can take down any wireless network.
>>
>> "Secure" is relative.
>>
>> With regard to my home wireless network, I think of two main things when
>> I say secure:
>>
>> 1) the ability to intercept my communications
>>
>> 2) the ability to become a node on my network.
>>
>>
>> Your "take down a network" is a different matter
entirely.  My microwave
>> oven can take down my 802.11g network with ease.
>>
>>
>> I know that nothing is completely secure, it's all relative.  Just like
>> I cannot make my house completely secure from someone who wants to get
>> in, I cannot make my wireless network completely secure from someone who
>> wants to break into it.
>>
>> I can, however, make my wireless network and/or house more difficult to
>> break into than my neighbors' house and/or network.   That's my reason
>> for going with WPA/2 instead of WEP.
>>
>>  /m
>

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