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echo: nthelp
to: Rich
from: Geo
date: 2006-09-10 03:43:46
subject: Re: Code signing

From: "Geo" 

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The feature you mention only allows to always approve, not always deny. =
For an admin it would be nice to always deny specific trusts.
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45019310$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     While there is a feature for a user or admin to trust a code signer =
so that no user confirmation occurs, I never mentioned it.  I would not =
recommend this for an individual user as there are so few occasions for =
prompt to justify.

     If you can't remember who you trust or even make a decision each =
time you have a problem that has nothing to do with computers.

  Rich

    "Geo"  wrote in message
news:45014108{at}w3.nls.net...
    What happens when a vendor you trust does something like oh say =
loading the first half of WGA on your system without your approval? Is =
there a checkbox somewhere that says "never trust the bastards
again"?

    Kinda hard to remember who you trust and who you don't without a =
nice feature that helps keep track. The only thing the OS offers is to =
tell you who signed it. It doesn't allow you to mark them as untrusted.

    Geo.
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:4500ee78$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         No.  You look at the signing certificate to see if you trust =
both the signing party and the certification path.  If you do not, do = not
trust the signed entity.  If something is not signed, you don't have = even
this option.  How do you choose what to trust?

         The average Joe relies on the identity of the signing party =
alone and assumes that the certification authorities that are not =
distrusted have been vetted.

         In practice, have you ever known this to be a problem with =
signed code?  How much actual malware do you hear of that is signed?  I =
can't think of any that wasn't some PR stunt by someone that signed a =
demo which he released under his own name anyway.

      Rich


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The feature you mention only allows to =
always=20
approve, not always deny. For an admin it would be nice to always deny = specific=20
trusts.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45019310$1{at}w3.nls.net... While there is a feature = for a user=20 or admin to trust a code signer so that no user confirmation occurs, I = never=20 mentioned it. I would not recommend this for an individual user = as there=20 are so few occasions for prompt to justify. If you can't remember = who you trust=20 or even make a decision each time you have a problem that has nothing = to do=20 with computers. Rich
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20 wrote in message news:45014108{at}w3.nls.net... What happens when a vendor you = trust does=20 something like oh say loading the first half of WGA on your = system=20 without your approval? Is there a checkbox somewhere that says = "never trust=20 the bastards again"? Kinda hard to remember who you = trust and who=20 you don't without a nice feature that helps keep track. The only = thing the=20 OS offers is to tell you who signed it. It doesn't allow you to mark = them as=20 untrusted. Geo.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4500ee78$1{at}w3.nls.net... No. You look = at the=20 signing certificate to see if you trust both the signing party and = the=20 certification path. If you do not, do not trust the signed=20 entity. If something is not signed, you don't have even this = option. How do you choose what to trust? The average Joe = relies on the=20 identity of the signing party alone and assumes that the = certification=20 authorities that are not distrusted have been vetted. In practice, have = you ever known=20 this to be a problem with signed code? How much actual = malware do=20 you hear of that is signed? I can't think of any that wasn't = some PR=20 stunt by someone that signed a demo which he released under his = own name=20 anyway. Rich ------=_NextPart_000_01AA_01C6D48B.52B0A9D0-- --- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5
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