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to: Geo
from: Gary Britt
date: 2006-10-23 01:03:32
subject: Re: Browser Security

From: "Gary Britt" 

What about running the browser in a virtual machine, does that keep the
insecurities sufficiently boxed in?

Gary

"Geo"  wrote in message
news:453c3bbc$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> "Mike N."  wrote in message
> news:ubsnj2t90nffkq3jirupjjrfdmqeds7odd{at}4ax.com...
>
>> Take web sites that need to do anything more than serve up static pages
>> such as webmail, etc.  Turn off activeX and Scripting and POOF, 90% of
>> those web sites' usability vanishes.
>
> And that is the heart of the problem isn't it? You can't be secure if you
> allow untrusted code to run on your machine and the websites are designed
> not to work if you don't allow untrusted code to run on your machine.
>
> Proof that Microsoft, was stupid and security was an afterthought or
> perhaps
> just naive designers?
>
> There is no magic fix for this, it's a design flaw and the fix is going to
> be painful and require a change in the thinking of how the web works.
> Client
> side processing is insecure, it has to stop. You can make up all the rules
> you like for how it should work but what hackers do is break the rules so
> that's a futile effort. The fix is to not run untrusted code.
>
> Oh, and 90% of the sites that use ActiveX, use it for the advertising, not
> for anything the viewer needs. Trust me on this, I run with it turned off
> and all that breakes are the dancing ads for most sites. There are very
> few
> sites (as an overall percentage) that actually need it for functionality.
> I
> have under a dozen websites in my trusted zone and several of them only
> because breaking the ads breaks the site.
>
> Geo. (I turned of autorefresh and redirects as well, who thinks up these
> stupid features?)
>
>

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