From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: GettingCloser{at}here.com
Subject: Re: Antimatter experiment produces first beam of antihydrogen

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 02:40:04 GMT, Wiseguy  wrote:

>GettingCloser{at}here.com wrote in
>news:5av7e91cmqphuj5chjqoubsi0hdb1iove1{at}anonymous.eternal-september.org: 
>
>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:21:25 +0100, Wouter Valentijn
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Your Name schreef op 25-1-2014 06:21:
>>>> In article ,
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:54 +0100, Wouter Valentijn
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> GettingCloser{at}here.com schreef op 24-1-2014 18:23:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want my antimatter cigarette lighter, please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, smoking is very unhealthy.
>>>>>> But once you get your hands on some serious
amounts of antimatter,
>>>>>> why not take inspiration from 'The Doomsday
Machine' and create a
>>>>>> planet killer! Oh, wait.... That might be
unhealthy also.....
>>>>>
>>>>> People do a lot of unhealthy things. As long as they do them to
>>>>> themselves, it's really none of your business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now when they do such things to OTHERS, especially the helpless,
>>>>> that makes it EVERYBODY'S business.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I tend to agree, but there are added problems.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, in many places your taxes are wasted to help people who
>>>> make stupid decisions, for example health services for people who
>>>> CHOOSE to smoke, rescue services for people who CHOOSE to climb a
>>>> mountain, etc. Public taxes should not be used for these purposes,
>>>> the people who choose to do those things should pay for any
>>>> consequences themselves. 
>>>
>>>I also tend to agree here.
>>>However, I also think that these services, like justice, should be 
>>>blind. The principle of solidarity with all should be upheld. It is
>>>the foundation of society.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, the people doing stupid things often cause damage to
>>>> innocent bystanders. For example a drunk driver or idiot trying to
>>>> escape the police crashes into an innocent road user or pedestrian.
>>>
>>>Indeed. Jail time for those I'd say.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The point of where to draw the line in interferring in what people
>>>> do is difficult to establish ... although in 99% of cases, the
>>>> policitcally correct fools are way over the line.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The trouble is that life consists out of a lot of gray areas.
>>>Things might indeed not always be clear and humans, imperfect as they 
>>>are, can make mistakes. On either side of that vague line.
>>>Society has people (we hope) that are qualified to make that judgment 
>>>call. I try not to be the first one to throw stones.
>> 
>> Since we are now into politics...
>> 
>> Applying that to social and moral situations, what about those who
>> deliberately live beyond their means with no intentions of ever paying
>> back their debts and then declare personal bankruptcy?  Laws have been
>> tightening on that but then you hear of the new IRS "forgiveness"
>> where backtaxes can be completely forgiven ten cents on the dollar.
>> 
>
>Technically, ten cents on the dollar wouldn't be "completely" forgiven.

If the taxpayer is having to absorb the other 90 cents on that
Salvation Dollar, close enough for government work.

>
>> However, when an overpaid CEO sails his company into the rocky shore
>> and bankrupts the company, throwing thousands out of work and
>> threatening the entire national economy, suddenly THEY are "too big to
>> fail" and MUST be rescued.
>> 
>> Conservatives rally all day long against welfare for the individual as
>> if it is worshipping Satan himself.
>> 
>
>Typical one-sided liberal hogwash.

Chant that while conservatives talk about the individual's state being
one of personal responsibility...unless a fictitious Corporation goes
trolling for Corporate Welfare, which they do all the time.  THAT is
the true hogwash - the difference between great sounding conservative
rhetoric and their actual documented actions.

>
>> So Corporate Welfare = GOOD; Personal Welfare = BAD.
>> 
>> Conservatives never see the irony in how billions freely given to bad
>> companies is good yet billions that might make people in bad
>> situations productive  is good.
>> 
>> I blame conservatives for not being conservative.  Under Bush they
>> grew the government more than ALL Presidents in the past COMBINED and
>> strapped us with a phony war debt we will NEVER repay.
>> 
>
>Of course you do. Liberals are perfect, after all.

No but you vote for a Liberal and you get a Liberal.  They don't
become a conservative once in office.

You vote for a Republican conservative from Reagan to today, you get
someone who becomes a Corporate Liberal.

Conservatives will talk about borders, English, and small government
and then magically transforms into a Corporate Liberal: BIG government
subsidies, Corporate Welfare, spending more under Bush 2 than the
entire history of America, etc.
>
>> Either way, you throw the dice.  Yet the rich's dice are always
>> weighted by the legislation they write for Congress and is passed
>> unread.
>> 
>> BTW: didn't Bush's unfunded Iraq war cost the country about $17
>> TRILLION about now?  Think what could have been done with that money
>> had the military and the President been worth a fuck on 9/11.
>> 
>> And don't get me started on Bush's TARP bailout that Obama bobbed his
>> head and continued.
>> 
>> The rich get what they want because they are HOLY.  The poor just
>> deserve to die because they didn't choose to be born rich with Daddy's
>> money.
>> 
>
>LOL

The laughingstock is how the Republican conservative movement has
totally sold out their "family values" to the gays; sold out their
"strong border" talking points to "let's legalize the illegals like
Reagan did...again" 

The Republican Party of today is looking a LOT like the Democrat Party
of the 1960s.

They will sell out anything to survive.
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