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to: Cindy Haglund
from: Jeff Smith
date: 2006-10-28 19:23:24
subject: Football

Hello Cindy.

28 Oct 06 08:08, you wrote to me:



   This is a rather long message and I will omit that which I am not
responding to.


 CH>  Yes. I know, actually yes I DO know... what you mean. Been there one
 CH> too many a time. In some ways it can be ... entertaining... if you're
 CH> in the right mood.


     Sorry for the rather brief reply but I have been sick lately and haven't
been able to tend to the computres here.


     I normally don't have much time for double standards. There IMHO should
be one set of rules that are applied to all.

 CH> I hazard a guess though that we might put that exercise into
 CH> futility all in a nutshell? SOmething about Hypocrisy being what vice
 CH> pays to virtue. IOW humans are clever critters. Got an answer for
 CH> everything including justifying self-contradiction. Mama mea.
 CH> .......


     People do like to play their games, huh? Sometimes it can be amusing
to watch others play their games and push each others buttons. Although
I wouldn't miss it at all if chose to grow tired of it and stop.


 CH>>  That's a weird thing about some people. They assume anything
 CH>> that isn't right by them to do only applies to others. And they
 CH>> think their opinions are facts and everybody else facts are
 CH>> opinions. I'm never going to figure them out. I quit trying and
 CH>> feel much better!!


      I decided early on to give people the benefit of the doubt and to
trust them until they indicate by action or word that such trust is not
warrented. The people that get me are those that have a narrow view of
what they think as right and refuse to listen or even consider that
there may be alternatives that may be better. But that doesn't mean that
that will deter me from continuing to try communicate with them.


 JS>>      I try to go by a few basic principles. Say what you mean as
 JS>> best you can and mean what you say. And secondly, try to treat
 JS>> others the same way that you would like to be treated. Now I
 JS>> don't claim to


 CH>  Exactly Jeff! Exactly that! But you know what is brain screamingly
 CH> insane? Is there's those who say they think the same way only um mm
 CH> they don't DO it and to top it off: deny not doing it! OH my! :)

     I think it boils down to consistency. As an example, what I thought
was wrong ten years ago today I still think is wrong and I suspect that
in another ten years that will not have changed. Now opinions are another
matter. I may have any number of opinions. Not all of them may be right.
But I think what is important is whether I am willing to listen to other
peoples opinions and ideas and use them to modify my opinion if nessesary.


 CH> It is this. The Xtain Orthodox priest (and the same is true for
 CH> Orthodox Rabbi's (Jews) IIRC): Wearing a full untrimmed beard avoids
 CH> vanity. The Buddhist monks as you all may well know shave their heads
 CH> and faces to avoid vanity.

 CH> BOTH faiths see a totally opposing view on how to avoid vanity. :) Yet
 CH> happily they seem not to make war over this. They co-exist in peace.


     

     I think people(s) can often have the same attitude or belief but
express it in different ways. That way may appear different and people
will often not look deep enough to see that the underlying belief isn't
really that different after all.


 CH> Too bad other dogmas can't do the same thing. Oh wait. I think they
 CH> want to it's the extremists of all faiths, nobody seems able or
 CH> willing to censor - Too entertaining/profitable. (Sigh).
 CH> ..........

     Too newsworthy I guess. Bad news is so much more profitable and
entertaining to report than good news. Can you sense that I have a
rather dim view of a large percentage of the news media? 

 JS>> always succeed but I try to the best of my abilities. There will
 JS>> always be some that will dislike you or what you do regardless.
 JS>> But if I am secure that I have done my best then I am content
 JS>> with that. And the few that may still have a problem with me can
 JS>> kiss my... ummm... wrist. 

 CH>  You do well. As with most here you're able and willing to disagree
 CH> without being disagreeable. That is a virtue few humans of any belief
 CH> system/culture/race whatever, care to achieve probably because
 CH> not doing so, for them, is more entertaining. I find great pleasure in
 CH> being able to keep my cool, inspired by those who do likewise. :) ((ON
 CH> the other hand none of us NEEDS to pay the least bit of  attention to
 CH> people who can't be or won't be civil.

 CH> ... Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh, what a relief it is.


     Tried Exlax but found Draino works much better. 


 CH> --- PPoint 3.01

Jeff

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