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Hello Vladimir. Please forgive the late reply... my ISP was down for a few days. 14 Oct 04 19:03, you wrote to me: VD>>> Policy (4.07) use both expression "node" and "system"... VD>>> In first case not clearly purpose of ZMH - this sample imitated VD>>> claim, and may (must) to be remove. MG>> All zone mail hour requires is that during that time, all nodes be able MG>> to VD> "Nodes"? Not "systems"? VD> You use term "node", but I ask you to explain it! A system is a computer or set of computers performing a task or tasks, usually but not always run by one person. A node is an address space in Fidonet, as listed in the Fidonet nodelist. A system is associated with the node address, configured as indicated by the contact and flag information listed with the node listing. A single person, who is the official sysop (system operator) of that system is also associated with the node address. Every node represents a system, and a sysop. Not every system and sysop that participates in Fidonet is a node of this network, however; but for the purposes of Fidonet policy, only nodes which are officially listed in the Fidonet nodelist as released by the ZC's/IC are considered a part of this network. MG>> Policy does not specify that a node must receive /direct/ netmail from MG>> every other node in the zone, it just specifies that the node must MG>> accept netmail during that time. Therefore, ZMH can be defined as a MG>> routed netmail event. VD> Without ZMH - what member of FIDO must to do with netmail? He must VD> transfer it to another systems or no? If "no" - what he is "node"? VD> He is only "end system", and he must receive mail in any suitable time VD> (he is not annoying any other systems - he not connected with them, only VD> 1 uplink, analogue "point")! And different between "node" and "point" in VD> this case only on responsible for own traffic. He is still a node. Nodes are not required to be mail hubs. End nodes are still valid members of this network. The difference is exactly what you describe; a node is responsible for everything that enters this network from his system, whereas a point is not. A point's only responsibilities are those expected of him by his boss node. His boss node takes the responsibility for what enters the network through his system from his point, and his boss node controls the point's access to this network. VD>>> But for second case system must not only receive netmail but to VD>>> transfer it beyond (so systems without any downlinks must be remove VD>>> from nodelist)... That is not a requirement of the nodes of this network under Fidonet policy. Only *C's and officially nodelisted Hubs are required by policy to even handle netmail, and they are only required to route netmail. The actual transfer is left up to mutual agreements between the *C's and Hubs, and the nodes they serve. Whatever transfer method or transfer times are mutually agreeable to them are acceptable under policy. VD> As I write previos - same question: is it "node" or "end system" at VD> netmail route? "Node" must distribute mail to another systems, "end VD> system" must only receive mail and not send it beyond. Fidonet nodes are not defined as being required to distribute mail to other systems, and never have been. The only reason the word "nodes" was used was that in the beginning, the network was built around BBSes, and each node had dial-up users. This is very much like dial-up ISP's which have users and are nodes on the internet, while the dial-up users themselves are generally connected through the node via PPP or Slip/Slurp connections, and while online, are not considered true internet nodes. The models are very similar, and that is because Fidonet and the Internet grew up alongside each other, and many of the same people were involved in both types of networking. The main difference is the levels of hardware and software automation of the Internet, mainly brought on by commercial interest in development, while Fidonet being strictly non-commercial, still relies heavily on human interaction. --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1* Origin: MikE'S MaDHousE: WelComE To ThE AsYluM! (1:134/11) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786 @PATH: 134/11 10 3613/1275 123/500 106/2000 633/267 |
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