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From: "Carl Cook" 
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Subject: Re: Copyright INFRINGEMENT
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:36:18 -0800
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Young" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Copyright INFRINGEMENT


> When you say "from the photograpers own stock(!)", I assume
it precludes
the
> stock prior to employment? Otherwise it is unconstitutional...
>
> Cheers, good to hear from you!    :)
>
> -Wayne
> wayne_b_young{at}hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Carl Cook" 
> >Reply-To: 
> >To: photo{at}fanciful.org
> >Subject: Re: Copyright INFRINGEMENT
> >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:59:44 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >Always good to get that kind of stuff in writing - who owns the
negatives,
> >etc. Don't know about Canada, but down here :) even if a paper paid is
> >supplying  the film and so on, the photographer (assuming it's a
freelance
> >type job, and not work done as a staffer), owns the images unless there
is
> >a
> >prior arrangement, which legally must be in writing.
> >
> >There has been a huge upheaval in the freelance community the past couple
> >of
> >years, with newspapers/magazines grabbing up as many rights as they can
by
> >making photographers (and writers) sign work-for hire agreements that go
> >way
> >beyond what is fair to the creator of the work. For example, I left the
> >local daily here three years ago because their new freelancers contract,
> >mandated by their parent corporation, Gannet, called for not only all the
> >rights "inperpetuity" of anything shot for the paper,
but all rights to
any
> >images from the photographers own stock (!) -- also inperpetuity! Forget
> >it!
> >After a long protracted battle in attempts to work something out, myself
> >and
> >another photographer ended up walking out. For me, that was after nine
> >years
> >of service with them, averaging 6-10 stories a week.
> >
> >Part of the fallout to these kinds of rights grabbing policies, a group
of
> >freelancers formed Editorial Photographers -- now numbering in the
> >thousands
> >of members worldwide. Check their website out for what they are doing and
> >have done on behalf of freelancers.  http://www.editorialphoto.com
> >
> >
> >It is quite possible that you own the images in question. Have you asked
> >the
> >paper for the negs? If anything, they might let you
"borrow" them in
order
> >to make prints for your portfolio.
> >
> >And of course, the next time you shoot something for them, try to work
all
> >these icky little details out in advance.
> >
> > > All that threw me for a second.  Then I thought back to the pictures I
> > > recently mentioned that I took for the newspaper.  It was their film,
> >and
> > > they own the pictures, even if my name did land on some of them.
> > > Basically, I don't like that situation as I have had some pretty
decent
> > > photos published that I can't share with you as I have no copies,
other
> > > than the dotty things right out of the newspaper. I can't make
reprints.
> > > If anyone wanted a copy, the paper made money selling the pictures.
> > > Bummer.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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