BM> > BM> Slightly off topic also, but since standard transmissions have 
enjoye
  > > BM> a comeback, it's worth telling:  When I took driver's education in 
hi
  > > BM> school way back when, we were explicitly and carefully taught to 
how 
  > > BM> on a hill.  We were taken to a steep hill for practise.  Put on 
your 
  > > BM> put the car in first, let the clutch out and step on the gas 
graduall
  > > BM> as usual.  When the car pulls forward on the brake, then let the 
brak
  > > BM> off.  No slippage.  A similar tactic will work for backing out of a 
p
BM> > Learned that trick too, but there is a level of slope
  > > involved where the handbreak wont do much good.  Most
  > > of the USA has fairly flat land. Try Hawaii or the
  > > Blue Ridge for an example of what I mean.
BM>Mmm.  Just my opinion, of course, Carol, but if the handbrake doesn't do
  >much good, I'd say it needs fixing.
I have to agree with you.
However, there are many vehicles that don't have a "hand" brake.  My
Chevy van for example.  The _emergency_ brake is a pedal that locks down
when depressed.  To release it, you pull a T-handle.  The above
procedure would be impractical.
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