Steve Asher -> Joe Bruchis wrote:
 SA> Mulling over Joe Bruchis to Jeff Snyder 05 Apr 2009

 JS>> On 04/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Choudary calls for
 JS>> Sharia "Law" in UK.

 SA>> I accept your distinction, but in return point out the
"obligation"
 SA>> on Jews to seek observance of "Halacha" laws, and the
obligation to
 SA>> impose Noahide Laws upon Gentiles. Israel is currently a secular
 SA>> state, unlike islamic "theocracies" such as Iran /
Saudi Arabia.

 JB>> Jews have no such obligation. To say that means you know nothing
 JB>> about Judaism.

 SA> If you have any evidence in support of your assertion, feel free to
 SA> provide it. My knowledge of Judaism is limited to what information
 SA> Jews themselves provide, the ease which I can find the information,
 SA> my ability to read and understand the information, and the fact
 SA> that there are other views that may oppose or modify the information
 SA> that I post. My Fidonet messages are not meant to cover every shade
 SA> of belief or opinion on any subject, and are always open to challenge,
 SA> expansion, or discussion. Some Jewish sources that can be readily
 SA> found say that Jews have such obligation - you say they do not.

What I replied to was actually not written by you. However, you are
discussing philosophies of Rabbis of which there have been millions upon
millions and philosophies of Philosophers and Theologians of which there
have been many millions more.

The only thing that makes a Jew a Jew is that one is born of a Jewish
Mother. That's it in totality. Everything else is philosophy, and is also
geographical and/or secular in nature.

It does no good to try to nail it down, because it can't be nailed-down.

There is no one description of Judaism or Jewishness other than the one I stated.

 SA> The Rambam explicitly rules (Code, Kings 8:10):
 SA> "Moshe Rabbeinu commanded from the mouth of G-d to convince all the
 SA> inhabitants of the world to observe the commandments given to the
 SA> Children of Noach."

Moses Maimonides, also known as Rabbi Moses ben Maimon or Rambam, was just
another Rabbi. He was a great philosopher and theologian, but he was not
G-d, as it seems he is being made out to be.


 SA> It is the Jew's duty to see to it that all peoples lead the righteous
 SA> and decent life which comes from compliance with the Seven Noachide Laws.
 SA> Not only is it a Jew's duty because he has been so commanded by G-d, but
 SA> it is also to his own benefit.

Not a bad teaching, I must say. But only a teaching, nonetheless.

Regards,

Joe

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