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echo: pol_disorder
to: Jeff Binkley
from: Ed Hulett
date: 2009-07-22 15:09:22
subject: SIGNING STATEMENT

Jeff Binkley -> Wayne Chirnside wrote:


 WC>>> I'm not happy he isn't overturning nte Military Commissions act
 WC>>> of 2006, however the alternative is also totally unacceptable.

 WC>>> Many of the Guantamino detainees ( some say 50 percent) as well
 WC>>> many others kept elsewhere are innocent.
 WC>>> Many simply picked by the Norther alliance ( tribal war lords)
 WC>>> to sell to Americans for profit.

 WC>>> Subjected to the torture they were it's unremarkable many
 WC>>> pled guilty to stuff the never did.
 WC>>> Anything they said under previously existing law would have to be
 WC>>> thrown out as inadmissable.

 WC>>> IOW's Obama if he kept promise of eliminating the Military
 WC>>> commissions Act of 2006 would have to by law free them all
 WC>>> because of the coersion and hearsay evidence used against them.

 WC>>> Now had Bush operated under existing U.S. and international law
 WC>>> and not  made his own up as he went along Guantamino would no
 WC>>> longer exist as its detainess would either been freed if innocent
 WC>>> or convicted  if found guilty.

 WC>>> So now we're with two bad alternatives neither of which is
 WC>>> satisfactory

 JB>>> I think we let them go in your neighborhood and you can tell us
 JB>>> which ones are the good guys from the bad guys.

 WC>> Had W elected to enforce existing law the problems would no longer
 WC>> exist. They'd have been tried and where appropriate convicted.

 JB> You assume they would be convicted.  The current US criminal laws do not
 JB> account for enemy combatants.  They are covered by military law.  You
 JB> and your ilk want to make them US citizens,  parade a dozen ACLU lawyers
 JB> into the courtroom,  embarass the US and then allow them to get off on a
 JB> technicality.


 WC>> Instead he went about making up laws, illegal laws, thus the problems
 WC>> we're in now.

 JB> What is an illegal law ?

That is what I'd like to know as well.

 WC>> John Yoo of the office of legal council is also highly complicit.

 JB> FDR followed a similar approach and more, yet he is the hero for the
 JB> left.

FDR tried to stack the Supreme Court with extra justices that would rule
his way, yet he is still the hero of the left.

Ed

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