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to: Ross Sauer
from: Ed Hulett
date: 2009-07-22 00:25:24
subject: Obama`s signing statement

Ross Sauer -> All wrote:
 RS> Well, since Stan as usual is unwilling to do any actual research to back
 RS> his claim, (like when he described Walter Cronkite as a loud drunk,) and
 RS> Ed is simply too lazy to do any research either, I did 20 seconds of
 RS> research, (by typing "Obama signing statement" into
Google, and I found
 RS> the article below.

You blatant liar! I gave you the link to that article!

 RS> I don't like it that this attachment was jammed into a war spending
 RS> bill, and I especially don't like it that Obama has said he doesn't have
 RS> to abide by this attachment.

Uh huh...

 RS> He could have simply demanded the attachment be removed, the same way he
 RS> did with the F-22 pork spending attachment.

You best set your little buddy Wayne straight.

 RS> Democrats irked by Obama signing statement

The very same article I cited to you.

 RS> By ANNE FLAHERTY (AP) - 6 hours ago

 RS> WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has irked close allies in Congress
 RS> by declaring he has the right to ignore legislation on constitutional
 RS> grounds after having criticized George W. Bush for doing the same.

 RS> Four senior House Democrats on Tuesday said they were
"surprised" and
 RS> "chagrined" by Obama's declaration in June that he doesn't have to
 RS> comply with provisions in a war spending bill that puts conditions on
 RS> aid provided to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

 RS> In a signing statement accompanying the $106 billion bill, Obama said he
 RS> wouldn't allow the legislation to interfere with his authority as
 RS> president to conduct foreign policy and negotiate with other
 RS> governments.

 RS> Earlier in his six-month-old administration, Obama issued a similar
 RS> statement regarding provisions in a $410 billion omnibus spending bill.
 RS> He also included qualifying remarks when signing legislation that
 RS> established commissions to govern public lands in New York, investigate
 RS> the financial crisis and celebrate Ronald Reagan's birthday.

I even quoted the next two paragraphs to you...

 RS> "During the previous administration, all of us were critical of (Bush's)
 RS> assertion that he could pick and choose which aspects of congressional
 RS> statutes he was required to enforce," the Democrats wrote in their
 RS> letter to Obama. "We were therefore chagrined to see you appear to
 RS> express a similar attitude."

 RS> The letter was signed by Reps. David Obey of Wisconsin, chairman of the
 RS> House Appropriations Committee, and Barney Frank of Massachusetts,
 RS> chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, as well as Reps.
 RS> Nita Lowey and Gregory Meeks, both of New York, who chair subcommittees
 RS> on those panels.

....and you have the gall to claim I'm too lazy to look things up?

 RS> Obama needs Obey and Frank in particular to push through Congress key
 RS> pieces of his agenda, including health care and financial oversight
 RS> reform.

 RS> The White House said Tuesday the administration plans to implement the
 RS> provisions of the bill and suggested that Obama's signing statement was
 RS> aimed more at defending the president's executive powers than skirting
 RS> the law.

 RS> "The president has also already made it clear that he will not ignore
 RS> statutory obligations on the basis of policy disagreements and will
 RS> reserve signing statements for legislation that raises clearly
 RS> identified constitutional concerns," White House spokesman Ben LaBolt
 RS> said in a statement.

 RS> Bush issued a record number of signing statements while in office as he
 RS> sparred with Democrats on such big issues as the war in Iraq.

 RS> Democrats, including Obama, sharply criticized Bush as overstepping his
 RS> bounds as president. In March, Obama ordered a review of Bush's
 RS> guidelines for implementing legislation.

 RS> "There is no doubt that the practice of issuing such statements can be
 RS> abused," Obama wrote in a memo to the heads of executive departments and
 RS> agencies.

 RS> At the same time, however, Obama did not rule out issuing any signing
 RS> statements, which have been used for centuries. Rather, he ordered his
 RS> administration to work with Congress to inform lawmakers about concerns
 RS> over legality before legislation ever reaches his desk. He also pledged
 RS> to use caution and restraint when writing his own signing statements,
 RS> and said he would rely on Justice Department guidance when doing so.

 RS> Two days after issuing the memo, Obama issued his first signing
 RS> statement exerting executive power after receiving a $410 billion
 RS> omnibus spending bill. He said the bill would "unduly
interfere" with
 RS> his authority by directing him how to proceed, or not to, in
 RS> negotiations and discussions with international organizations and
 RS> foreign governments.

 RS> Obey and the other House lawmakers said this week that Obama's signing
 RS> statement on the war bill will make it tougher in the future to persuade
 RS> other lawmakers to support the World Bank and IMF.

 RS> If Congress can't place conditions on the money, "it will make it
 RS> virtually impossible to provide further allocations for these
 RS> institutions," they wrote.

 RS> Copyright (c) 2009 The Associated Press.



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