LS> Exactly :) And more is better :)
  Not necessarily... after all, a landfill full of tofu isn't anything next 
to one pizza.
  
 LS> I didn't like the HoloDuke but yes I guess -the grapling hook in Quake 
for
 LS> instance seems very cool (haven't used it yet)
  Hey, I've managed to pull some of my more daring multiplayer escapes with a 
HoloDuke - when they're not sure who to shoot at, that cuts the potential to 
land a hit in half.  And, of course, more than one person has succumbed to 
the notorious HoloDuke trap (put a couple of pipebombs next to it, lie in 
wait, etc.).
  The grappling hook is definitely useful - however, it IS a form of cheating 
in some respects.  The only way to "foolproof" a level is to make it so you 
have to use the hook to complete the level.
  
 LS> It wouldn't even be similar, for one thing in Doom you 
 LS> can't land on monsters
 LS> (you can in Heretic but not Doom) for another you 
 LS> couldn't move on them, and
 LS> monsters don't have preset paths to follow to travel around a level.
  Yeah, but the point being is that ROTT's discs aren't really that advanced 
at all; you're just assigning it some "markers" to go to and making it a 
"solid" sprite.
  
 LS> That is completly a matter of opinion- I liked the 
 LS> discs, some didn't, others
 LS> did.
  But they didn't have much bearing on the game itself, at least not for me.
  
 LS> As I've said many a time before and if I have to will 
 LS> say again; comparing ROTT
 LS> to Quake is pointless because Quake is years newer and 
 LS> SHOULD be a hell of a lot
 LS> more advanced.
  True.
 LS> That is true :)
 LS> But as you obviously think -they're all obsolete because of Quake :)
 LS> However for their time they were great, and I like them 
 LS> both, I did like Doom
 LS> much better (like most people) but I feel I need to 
 LS> stick up for ROTT because
 LS> it was still good and it was highly under-rated by a LOT of people.
  It was good, but you have to acknowledge that the engine and the "tricks" 
weren't really much better than Doom's at all.    
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