From: mike 

Microsoft needs to change the File Edit View paradigm in order to compete
with Open Source software.  Why do you think Microsoft is adopting that
awful new "ribbon" for MS Office?


 /m



On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:36:06 -0500, "Geo"  wrote:

>Ok fine, so why does every frelling windows program on earth have a File Edit
View menu bar then if it's not needed? Are you slo or something? You been
hanging out with Kai from Kai's power tools or Paul Bun from Ultrabac that
you suddenly don't understand what consistancy is? You never used File/Open
or Edit/copy?
>
>Is a name like OE important to me, no I can deal with calling it Windows Mail
AGAIN, except last time the name changed it was actually a different
program. Anyway, since the name isn't important, WHY CHANGE IT? Oh right,
it's not paint though..
>
>Number of services, I'm coming from W2K not XP. I have 37 services running on
my W2K laptop including 3 thinkpad services, sygate, 3 avg services,  that
means 30 for windows. 69 you say, lets see that's a 130% increase?
soundcard service, drm related? how many of these are required for
drm/copyprotection?
>
>IPv6 running by default is totally un-needed on most of the machines in the
US, thus it increases surface area for hacking on all those machines, heck
we finally got rid of netbeui and IPX and we get stuck with another
unneeded protocol?  ssdp wasn't that the first remote anon exploit for XP,
have we learned nothing?
>
>How the hell do I uninstall this stupid windows defender crap? I'm a grownup,
I don't need no damn babysitter.
>
>Oh, I went to disable the license service and it threatened me with reduced
functionality, I disabled it anyway and guess what, no reduced
functionality? Time delayed or idle threat?
>
>Geo.
>  "Rich"  wrote in message news:458f0097{at}w3.nls.net...
>     Are you intentionally blind or just trying to appear ignorant.
>
>     Regarding IE7, what is present on the classic menus that is not present
on the new toolbar menus that is necessary for IE to be usable?
>
>     There are an enormous number of improvements and new features both in the
platform and the applications.  If you only can see what you call "new
paint" you would be blind to much of this.  Of what you call "new
paint" there is much of this too none of which has the purpose you
made up.
>
>     Windows Mail is the name for the new version of what was Outlook Express
which is the name for the newer versions of what was Internet Mail and
News. Is the name important to you?
>
>     The number of services running on my Windows XP system is 60 while the
number on my Windows Vista Ultimate system is 69.  While the number of
services increased by 15% the number of service processes decreased from 23
to 15 or 34%.  The extra services provide greater granularity.  This is
with my having enabled a number of optional services on my Windows Vista
system so the decrease should be even greater for you.  There are also
fewer ports open though most of these are blocked by the firewall on both
systems.  Finally, the privilege level of the existing services has been
reduced even further it was in Windows XP.  In other words, there is less
attack surface.
>
>  Rich
>
>    "Geo"  wrote in message
news:458ea6c6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>    So after a few days running vista on my mail laptop I've come to the
>    conclusion that the reason Microsoft does things like turning off the menu
>    bar in IE7 is just to make it look different because it certainly isn't
for
>    added functionality as I had to turn it back on to make it useable.
>
>    Seems there is a lot of new paint who's only purpose is to hide the fact
>    that it's still a Windows 2000 system with not much new except DRM and a
few
>    frills and ok there are a handful of .1 release type improvements like
task
>    manager.
>
>    Windows mail is outlook express.
>
>    Spider solitare has been improved with really annoying cards and
>    highlighting and it now sucks up way more resources.
>
>    Networking with W2K is just as bad as it was with XP. Maybe worse.
>
>    IPv6 is enabled by default, why is beyond me, perhaps they just wanted to
>    provide more surface area for hackers?
>
>    The number of running services has increased to the point of being
>    rediculous.
>
>    The user whatever the hell it's called feature that questions your every
>    command does have an off switch and I really can't believe there is anyone
>    who won't turn it off.
>
>    I'm going to run it for at least a couple more months but at this point I
>    much prefer W2K or even  xp.. I sincerely believe that Vista was
>    designed by marketing not by geeks and certainly not by anyone who uses a
>    computer more than an hour a day.
>
>    Geo.

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