*** Quoting Jeff Smith from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> quandry.

 CS> I face a difficult post and a response, and a desire in my own heart
 CS> to not use and abuse fidonews.  Fidonews is more than the current
 CS> holder of the editor

JS>      Agreed. The Fidonews is a part of Fidonet that should not be abus
JS> or used as a tool for anyone to use to further their own agenda. My pr
JS> is that I have a rather specific view of Fidonews and what I would lik
JS> see it as being. Like you I guess I just hate to see it be used for pe
JS> reasons instead of as a important part of Fidonet.

But the important articles are hard to come by.  I have one 'technical' one
¨that i have been remiss on. I will try to catch that up.  The other, I
will do ¨as my own desire allows.



JS>      I would like to also. I don't hate Bjorn or even dislike him. I h
JS> problems with him as editor but not with him as a person. I would very
JS> like to see him remain as editor. But he has stated clearly that he do
JS> care anymore and has allowed the Fidonews echo to become what it is to

Ah but the 2 jobs are separate.  I see no dichotomy in saying his
moderation ¨style isnt what that echo needs, yet find his Fidonews handling
something else. ¨We'd probably be better off if the moderator was someone
else.  Not a specific ¨on him, but as a general rule.

 CS> Fidonet now has a thought pattern of Z2 is bigger. If Z1 did that when
 CS> they were bigger, it was not as obvious.  It may have held sway, but
 CS> was not the systematic 'your zone vs mine' that we have seen in the
 CS> past 3 years grow.

 CS> People have polarized and it's very obvious from outside the 2 zones.

JS>      And that is the problem as I see it. People are hung up on which
JS> zone is better. Who's way is better. In some cases which country is
JS> better. I know it sounds naive but I consider us all members of Fidone
JS> more than I consider us members of a part of Fidonet based on some
JS> geographical boundry. As I have said to Bjorn and Michiel. Why does it
JS> matter that I am from Z1 or that I live in the US? Lets use whatever w
JS> that works best regardless of who's way it is.

You are correct.  It gets more and more so as time goes on.

People just were not so polarized when it was the late 80's and early 90's ¨here.

 CS> Consider this.  Michiel posted one note. I asked a question. I got a
 CS> reply. I got a Fnews article apparently from that.  I postd here not
 CS> having seen it, but in ways that address most of it.  Did I read his
 CS> article?  No.  I just had a feeling what weas there and addressed
 CS> things as they came up.


 CS> Could your situiation be like that?  Possible?  I do not know, only
 CS> you would know.

JS>      If Michiel had posted a message or a reply in the echo to what I
JS> in the article or followed with a reply article. I wouldn't have had a
JS> problem with that at all. In fact I replied in the Fidonews echo to hi
JS> article about you and the nodelist. I chose the echo over the Fidonews
JS> because I didn't want to use the Fidonews as just another forum to arg

Yes but had you replied over a long term on those same subjects?  Thats how
I ¨was able to see what Michiel would bring up, before I saw the article. 
I ¨addressed much of it about 8-12 hours before the post came in.  Not so
spooky, ¨just we'd covered that same ground before.


 CS> Hehe lets see.

JS>      Ok. 

Sure nuff!
                                       xxcarol

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