-=> On 12-04-06  14:19,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about FidoNews Editor MIA? <=-

 MVDV> Observations can be selective. I can say the saem about 
 MVDV> you. I have never seen you admit to being wrong either,

   I'll quote two such admissions from another echo in another message.

 MVDV> despite the fact that I have observed you to be wrong on
 MVDV> many occasions.

   Name two, other than the two I quoted elsewhere :-}}
   BTW, two is not the same as many.

 DS>    IMO, his biggest flaw is that he cannot accept what others say
 DS> without observing the "evidence" directly himself.

 MVDV> Correction: without being given the opportunity to *verify* 
 MVDV> the facts  myself. I do not always have to see it myself. 

  Slight difference in interpretation, but verification is what you have
  said.   I'll readily accept that rewording, but I'm not sure how you
  would verify evidence yourself without observing it though.

 MVDV> But I insist on there being a way for independant
 MVDV> verification of the facts and not having to resort to just 
 MVDV> take someone's word for it.

   The difficulty comes in how that independant verification happens and
   what independant authority you will trust.

 MVDV> And that, IMNSHO is not a flaw. If everyone would have the 
 MVDV> same attitude we would not get involved in disasters like 
 MVDV> Iraq.

  I'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion.  But I will not discuss
  Iraq in any public forum.
 
 DS>    His next biggest flaw is that he does not admit when he is wrong,

 MVDV> Even Careol confirms that you are wrong in that. Now will you admit
 MVDV> it? 

    If you mean xxCarol, I see a message from her to Ward which gives
    that impression, but have no verification of any such admission by
    you.

 DS> but creates complex, hypothetical and spurious arguments to
 DS> relentlessly defend his untenable position.

 MVDV> In those cases you just think I am wrong, but in reality 
 MVDV> you simply fail to understand the issue.

  Which is typical of your spurious arguments and attempts at
  deflection.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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