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to: Bob Lawrence
from: andrew clarke
date: 2003-05-06 05:25:06
subject: Borland

Sat 2003-05-03 11:27, Bob Lawrence (3:712/610.12) wrote to All:

 BL> Borland is driving me fucking crazy!

 BL> It's bad enough that Delphi keeps slipping into C for all the
 BL> WinAPI calls, but Bloody CBuilder keeps slipping into Pascal! Their
 BL> objects are written in Pascal! Borland has lost the plot.

I don't mind Borland's VCL (now called CLX).  It has a far more logical
design than Microsoft's MFC.  Borland open sourced the CLX a year or so ago
[1]. Interestingly though, their site on SourceForge [2] shows no real
signs of progress since November 2001, and there are some broken links [3]
back to Borland's international site [4].  It does look rather abandoned. 
I don't think the SourceForge CVS server being broken/down helps much
though:

ozzmosis{at}blizzard [~]cvs -z3
-d:pserver:anonymous{at}cvs.freeclx.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/freeclx co
freeclx  
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to
cvs.freeclx.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection refused

 BL> Their CBuilder is half-Pascal, and Delphi is half-C. This is bloody
 BL> ridiculous!

I don't think you need to know Pascal to use C++ Builder, or C/C++ to use
Delphi.  I suppose it might depend on what you're doing though.

I use C++ Builder 3.0 Standard (February 1998) and Delphi 6.0 Personal
Edition (May 2001) fairly regularly, so if you have any specific questions
I may be able to help out.

Regards
Andrew

[1] http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,27100,00.html
[2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeclx/
[3] http://freeclx.sourceforge.net/
[4] http://www.borland.com/

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